shaller pick ups on my h575 custom

[bebove64]

hi everybody,

I'm not really satisfied with the two Shaller pu (can anybody tell me the exact model? are they low cost model?) on my h575 custom....Well originally I thought they were Sd s-55 Seth Lover or '59.

Probably with a couple of Seth Lover I could get a better sound;Any suggestions?

thanks Alberto

 

Ps sorry for the crappy english,not my mother language-I'm from Venice,Italy

[MartyGrass]

I had Schallers on an Eagle Classic. I didn't think I'd like them. When I heard them, I was pleased.

 

I believe the Schallers are PAFs. Seths are also PAFs by Seymour Duncan.

 

Someone correct me if I'm off.

[Patrick]

I had Schallers on an Eagle Classic. I didn't think I'd like them. When I heard them, I was pleased.

 

I believe the Schallers are PAFs. Seths are also PAFs by Seymour Duncan.

 

Someone correct me if I'm off.

 

Mark:

 

The only thing you are "off" about, is that they are PAF "style" or "type pups". They are not PAFs. Semantics, I'm sure. I don't know what bebove64 doesn't like about them . . . but then, I don't know what sound or tone he's going after either. This weekend, when I plugged my newly acquired SE into my Fender Pro Reverb, I also took my 1994 custon ordered GE (single Schaller Golden 50s neck pup) out for a little ride. It's been so long since that guitar has been plugged into an amp, I forgot how ear delicious that Schaller Golden 50s pup sounded. I would have no problem if all of my arch tops had those pups in them. Don't get me wrong . . I like the variety I have now. But, I wouldn't change out any of my arch tops if they came with the Golden 50s pup.

[smurph1]

Tone is like a woman..She can be beautiful to me, but totally unappealing to someone else..Just my 2 cents..by the way I like Schallers too..

[tbonesullivan]

What about the sound don't you like? Too much highs? too much mids? The Schaller pickups are Schaller Golden 50's, and they are not "cheap pickups" by any means. They are high quality German-made PAF-style pickups. I have a pair in my H535 and love them. As with all pickups, some people love them, and some hate them. They seem to be more "airy" sounding than some pickups. They don't have as much in terms of mids as the Seymour Duncan 59's do.

[Guest mgoetting]

Tone is like a woman..She can be beautiful to me, but totally unappealing to someone else..Just my 2 cents..by the way I like Schallers too..

 

 

Tone is not like a woman. It doesn't changes its mind and hoard shoes. Plus tone can be silenced by flipping a switch.

[smurph1]

Tone is not like a woman. It doesn't changes its mind and hoard shoes. Plus tone can be silenced by flipping a switch.

LOL..

[Gitfiddler]

Archtops are funny beasts. Some have a natural clear tone. Others have a warmer tone. And some have a very bright tone. My point is this. Sometimes it isn't the pickups.

 

Unfortunately the only way to find out if your 575 has tones that from its very construction, takes it in a direction that does not appeal to you, is to replace the pickups at additional cost...or adjust the ones already in it for free. You might also find out that the capacitors are not valued properly for the tone pots. The lower the value, the warmer the tone (treble cutting).

 

I learned this the hard way (i.e. expensive) by replacing the single neck pickup and caps in my Sweet 16 three times before being satisfied with its unique tone. It first had a Schaller. Blah! Pulled it out and had a Gibson Classic 57 installed. Better, but no cigar. Finally I had Ken Armstrong custom wind one of his PAF humbuckers with 12 adjustment screws. Tonal nirvana achieved.

 

It turns out that my Sweetie has a bit of a bright, nasaly tone. Acoustically it sounds wonderful because of its natural tones. But amplified I had to find just the right pickup to bring out her best.

 

In my 575, the factory Schaller sounded fantastic. Different archtop. Different tones. Go figure!

 

The first thing I'd do in your situation is make as many adjustments to your Schaller pickup as you can. Lower it so that it is far from the strings. Then raise the adjustment screws to balance the tone/output of each string. This works very well with Schallers and other humbuckers.

 

Good luck.

[bebove64]

thanks to everybody,

I really appreciate your reply Gitfiddler.

First of all I'll try to raise the adjustment screws in order to get a better balanced tone,at the moment I've got to much highs expecially in neck position; I need sweet warm tones,I like jazz,but you say :the lower the value,the warmer the tone....well I'm a little bit confused. So probably a pair of Seth Lover will be useless or not...

ok first of all.....a good screwdriver (trying to save money.. )

thanks again

bebove

[Gitfiddler]

bebove, maybe I wrote too much. I apologize, but didn't see Italy as your home. Here is a simple starting point for you that should warm up your tone...

 

Lower the neck pickup.

 

Turn your guitar's Volume down to 8 or 9.

 

Ciao.

[bebove64]

bebove, maybe I wrote too much. I apologize, but didn't see Italy as your home. Here is a simple starting point for you that should warm up your tone...

 

Lower the neck pickup.

 

Turn your guitar's Volume down to 8 or 9.

 

Ciao.

 

 

Thanks anyway you've been very helpful !

 

 

Probably Shaller golden 50 are not so bad,probably a good setup will be fine.anyway I do not understand why they change pups brand so often, i.e. my first h575 classic(2002) had two Seymour Duncan Sh-1 '59,my present h575 custom a couple of Shaller...well the guitar model is the same why this change?(in Gibson es 175 '57 classic are still the same since a long time.

Ahhh...my poor crappy english!

[Patrick]

Thanks anyway you've been very helpful !

 

 

Probably Shaller golden 50 are not so bad,probably a good setup will be fine.anyway I do not understand why they change pups brand so often, i.e. my first h575 classic(2002) had two Seymour Duncan Sh-1 '59,my present h575 custom a couple of Shaller...well the guitar model is the same why this change?(in Gibson es 175 '57 classic are still the same since a long time.

Ahhh...my poor crappy english!

 

What you wrote above, about the lack of consistency of the components that Heritage uses, is one of the many things that make them who they are . . . and also what makes their guitar so unique . . . each and every one. There is much less of a "cookie cutter" approach . . . where every guitar they turn out is going to be an exact carbon copy of every other model of that guitar. Also, they are very good about using what ever that have on hand when they are building guitars. If they run out of the Schaller Golden 50s when they are finishing up a 575, they'll just grab a set of Duncan '59s . . or Duncan Seths. Similar with tuning heads . . . and stop tail pieces. Also, unlike Gibson, you can specify when you order a new guitar exactly what you want in it. If your guitar is too bright for the type of jazz you play, I seriously doubt that it is the Schaller Golden 50s pup causing the brightness. How does it sound when not amplified?

[NoNameBand]

Tone is not like a woman. It doesn't changes its mind and hoard shoes. Plus tone can be silenced by flipping a switch.

 

Spoken like a guy who is either a bachelor or one who spends a lot of time in the dog house. I used to spend so much time in the dog house, I had to get a dog for the neighbors not to get suspicious.

[NoNameBand]

What you wrote above, about the lack of consistency of the components that Heritage uses, is one of the many things that make them who they are . . . and also what makes their guitar so unique . . . each and every one. There is much less of a "cookie cutter" approach . . . where every guitar they turn out is going to be an exact carbon copy of every other model of that guitar. Also, they are very good about using what ever that have on hand when they are building guitars. If they run out of the Schaller Golden 50s when they are finishing up a 575, they'll just grab a set of Duncan '59s . . or Duncan Seths. Similar with tuning heads . . . and stop tail pieces. Also, unlike Gibson, you can specify when you order a new guitar exactly what you want in it. If your guitar is too bright for the type of jazz you play, I seriously doubt that it is the Schaller Golden 50s pup causing the brightness. How does it sound when not amplified?

 

What amp are you using and what kind of music are you playing?

[MartyGrass]

Spoken like a guy who is either a bachelor or one who spends a lot of time in the dog house. I used to spend so much time in the dog house, I had to get a dog for the neighbors not to get suspicious.

 

 

Definitely not a bachelor. The derogatory implications of my post refer only to other women, not my wife.

 

(Just in case she joins HOC and reads this. I just bought her flowers last Saturday so she'd let me back in the home. Our dog house is unheated and it's getting cold.)

[NoNameBand]

Definitely not a bachelor. The derogatory implications of my post refer only to other women, not my wife.

 

(Just in case she joins HOC and reads this. I just bought her flowers last Saturday so she'd let me back in the home. Our dog house is unheated and it's getting cold.)

 

Smart Man, very, very smart. I could use some lessons. Fortunately for me, my wife is very forgiving of male stupidity (like guitar buying/collecting) and the errant anniversary dates.

[mark555]

I did not like the Schaller's in my 555 and swapped them for SD 59's. I could never have Schaller's because they don't appeal to me, but others here like them. Go with what your ears tell you.

[bebove64]

What you wrote above, about the lack of consistency of the components that Heritage uses, is one of the many things that make them who they are . . . and also what makes their guitar so unique . . . each and every one. There is much less of a "cookie cutter" approach . . . where every guitar they turn out is going to be an exact carbon copy of every other model of that guitar. Also, they are very good about using what ever that have on hand when they are building guitars. If they run out of the Schaller Golden 50s when they are finishing up a 575, they'll just grab a set of Duncan '59s . . or Duncan Seths. Similar with tuning heads . . . and stop tail pieces. Also, unlike Gibson, you can specify when you order a new guitar exactly what you want in it. If your guitar is too bright for the type of jazz you play, I seriously doubt that it is the Schaller Golden 50s pup causing the brightness. How does it sound when not amplified?

 

well, I'm not talking 'bout lack of consistency of the components,but I think every model should have its typical,characteristic sound, easy to recognize for most musicians (in this case jazz players).

Unfortunately it's not easy to find Heritage guitars all around Italy(a really small boot ah ah);probably there are no good dealers all around here and you have to accept what the guitar shops offer....the possibility of specify what you in your guitar is really amazing,but to get the one I'd like probably it will take a long long time; I've been looking for a Sweet 16 for months,since 2008 without result....

Anyway not amplified the solid top and wood bridge give it a very warm and woody tone which I really like.

[bebove64]

What amp are you using and what kind of music are you playing?

roland jazz chorus 120 and polytone mini brute II

[bebove64]

I did not like the Schaller's in my 555 and swapped them for SD 59's. I could never have Schaller's because they don't appeal to me, but others here like them. Go with what your ears tell you.

I appreciate your answer,anyway I still thinking of swapping the Shaller's golden 50 for SD Seth Lover's even though with a first adjustment the one in neck position seems to sound really much better.

thanks for your advise

bebove

Forgive me for my poor english...