How Many guitars...

[unikh550]

Have a 1998 H-550 and wonder how many Heritages have been made since 1985, and how many this year only?

[rjsanders]

Have a 1998 H-550 and wonder how many Heritages have been made since 1985, and how many this year only?

 

i've been told by one of their dealers they make apx 1200/year. i'm sure that varies a lot. but compare w/other brands who make that many per hour

[Guest HRB853370]

So 100 a month or 3.33 per day. That is why the quality is sooooo goooood!

[Patrick]

I really don't know why it's important to know how many guitars Heritage produces in a day, in a month or in a year. But, I guess it makes for good conversation. Anyone who tells you that Heritage is making 1200 guitars per year is obviously sleeping with their hands under the sheets. Heritage has gone to 4 day work weeks. That gives them about 17 work days in a month. That means that they would need to complete approx 6 guitars per day to reach 100 per month, or 1200 per year. Take into consideration their down time during vacation, or hunting, or fishing, or Christmas or what ever.

 

Heritage produces according to booked orders. If they had 100,or 200 guitars ordered per month they could meet that by ramping up production and perhaps going back to a 5 day work week. They do not, typically build for stock inventory. They are a custom shop. They can and do conform to the requirements of the market.

[aarsvold]

I really don't know why it's important to know how many guitars Heritage produces in a day, in a month or in a year. But, I guess it makes for good conversation.

Why are you answering a question like that? Its kind of rude.

I guess its not IMPORTANT for him to know, but also I think this was an interesting question.

Thanks to rjsanders and skinslammer who answered in a polite way

[the jayce]

Why are you answering a question like that? Its kind of rude.

I guess its not IMPORTANT for him to know, but also I think this was an interesting question.

Thanks to rjsanders and skinslammer who answered in a polite way

Agreed 100%. Why the constant negativity on your posts patrick?

[chico]

I was watching the Grinch the other night on TV with the Grandkids.

 

oops,

 

sorry, wrong thread.

[FrankV]

What does "sleeping with their hands under the sheets" mean? I've never heard it before.

[brentrocks]

well, the last # in the serial # indicates the # made that day....

 

the average is 4, i have seen some 5s, and some 3s....but usually 4...

 

1985-2010 = 25 yrs....average days of production per year = 240

 

240 x 25 = 6000

 

6000 x 4 =24,000 guitars built approx.

 

sound about right?

[rjsanders]

well, the last # in the serial # indicates the # made that day....

 

the average is 4, i have seen some 5s, and some 3s....but usually 4...

 

1985-2010 = 25 yrs....average days of production per year = 240

 

240 x 25 = 6000

 

6000 x 4 =24,000 guitars built approx.

 

sound about right?

 

 

thanks for the input, Brent

[Patrick]

well, the last # in the serial # indicates the # made that day....

 

the average is 4, i have seen some 5s, and some 3s....but usually 4...

 

1985-2010 = 25 yrs....average days of production per year = 240

 

240 x 25 = 6000

 

6000 x 4 =24,000 guitars built approx.

 

sound about right?

 

By my estimations, it might be a little on the high side. I don't think you factored in their 4 day work week and the down time they sometimes incur for Christmas, hunting, fishing. I was unaware of these short shut downs until a few recent posts. But, given the above shut downs . . . I doubt that they don't realize 240 work days in a year. I realize it may be skewed a bit because they only recently went to 4 days a week. Then there was the shut down due to the fire . . . the transformer . . as well as other things as well.

 

4 work days per week . . . 52 weeks . . equals 208 work days. Deduct maybe 10 days due to shut downs and you're down to 198 work days . . . X 4 guitars per day equals 792 per year . . X 25 years. . equals 19,800. If I'm correct, they should consider doing a special 20,000th guitar. A one only offering of their choice. Or, in your estimate, a 25,000th guitar. Nothing crazy . . . one of their existing models . . but some special inlay commemorating that mile stone.

[Patrick]

Why are you answering a question like that? Its kind of rude.

I guess its not IMPORTANT for him to know, but also I think this was an interesting question.

Thanks to rjsanders and skinslammer who answered in a polite way

 

I don't know what you found rude about my post. I was just thinking out loud. And I did acknowledge that it makes for interesting conversation and went on to contribute to the conversation. If you think THAT was rude . . stick around . . . I get a lot worse By the way, that's a beautiful little boy you've got there. It looks like he is getting ready to record a 2 part harmony with you. But, why isn't he holding a Heritage guitar in his hands???

[Patrick]

Agreed 100%. Why the constant negativity on your posts patrick?

 

Gee Jayce . . . why the constant interpretation of my post as negative? If you can site specifics, it would be more helpful to me. I see no negative connotations in openly wondering about the question.

[Patrick]

What does "sleeping with their hands under the sheets" mean? I've never heard it before.

 

Frank . . . it's just a goofy old Italian saying translated to English, that means . . . "this guy most be playing with himself". Which, further translated means . . . "If he believes that, then he's crazy". It's quite common in the Italian sections of New York City.

[brentrocks]

By my estimations, it might be a little on the high side. I don't think you factored in their 4 day work week and the down time they sometimes incur for Christmas, hunting, fishing. I was unaware of these short shut downs until a few recent posts. But, given the above shut downs . . . I doubt that they don't realize 240 work days in a year. I realize it may be skewed a bit because they only recently went to 4 days a week. Then there was the shut down due to the fire . . . the transformer . . as well as other things as well.

 

4 work days per week . . . 52 weeks . . equals 208 work days. Deduct maybe 10 days due to shut downs and you're down to 198 work days . . . X 4 guitars per day equals 792 per year . . X 25 years. . equals 19,800. If I'm correct, they should consider doing a special 20,000th guitar. A one only offering of their choice. Or, in your estimate, a 25,000th guitar. Nothing crazy . . . one of their existing models . . but some special inlay commemorating that mile stone.

they have only been on 4 day weeks for about 17-20 months...and i did factor in holidays....i'm sure its somewhere inbetween those 2 figures

[Patrick]

they have only been on 4 day weeks for about 17-20 months...and i did factor in holidays....i'm sure its somewhere inbetween those 2 figures

 

Well, if it is somewhere between those two figures, then that shoots my suggestion for a commemorative guitar in the head!! A "22,500th" guitar celebration just doesn't seem to sound right. We'll have to wait for # 25,000 to roll off the line.

 

But, on a more serious note, their record keeping is probably not at all inclined to tell us exactly how many they made. I've got to ask Jim one day if they are actually keeping a "tally sheet" . . . since their inception 25 years ago.

[ledzef]

Wondering how many ghost builds they do also?

[Patrick]

Wondering how many ghost builds they do also?

 

I'm not sure about how many they do, or have done. But I am extremely appreciative of 2 that I know of

[Guido]

Agreed 100%. Why the constant negativity on your posts patrick?

+1

 

I am asking this myself.

And Patrick if a few people are pointing this out to you, than you should at least ask yourself why we are saying this.

 

There is a slight arrogant tone in your replies. Example: "It's quite common in the Italian sections of New York City."

To me this sounds snobbishly. Like the other guy is undereducated and doesn't know this common thing.

 

I am not trying to piss you off! I'm just pointing out what at least a few members noticed.

[mars_hall]

+1

 

I am asking this myself.

And Patrick if a few people are pointing this out to you, than you should at least ask yourself why we are saying this.

 

There is a slight arrogant tone in your replies. Example: "It's quite common in the Italian sections of New York City."

To me this sounds snobbishly. Like the other guy is undereducated and doesn't know this common thing.

 

I am not trying to piss you off! I'm just pointing out what at least a few members noticed.

 

Ruhe bitte

[Guido]

Ruhe bitte

I am so kind and will translate for the rest of the folks: "Quiet please".

 

So could you please explain why? Or is his real Name St. Patrick?

[mars_hall]

I am so kind and will translate for the rest of the folks: "Quiet please".

 

So could you please explain why? Or is his real Name St. Patrick?

 

As Moderator, I am trying to restore a degree of peace (Ruhe also means peace and quiet) here. It does no good to fan flames. We must move on from this point forward.

[Guido]

As Moderator, I am trying to restore a degree of peace (Ruhe also means peace and quiet) here. It does no good to fan flames. We must move on from this point forward.

I know what 'Ruhe' means. As you noticed I am a native speaker of this language.

I will keep my mouth shut for now, but I want to point out that I didn't break any forum rules at all.

And I think this is not a good way to handle things.

I can understand that Patrick has a very good reputation. But as it looks I am not the only one who noticed some arrogance in his replies.

 

Aber ich werde die Sache unter den Teppich kehren!

(I will sweep it under the carpet!)

 

It's not a common phrase from the Italian sections of New York City.

It's just a common phrase we use in Germany when you don't want to speak about a certain topic.

 

So pppppppssssssssssttttttttt!

 

Peace

[Patrick]

+1

 

I am asking this myself.

And Patrick if a few people are pointing this out to you, than you should at least ask yourself why we are saying this.

 

There is a slight arrogant tone in your replies. Example: "It's quite common in the Italian sections of New York City."

To me this sounds snobbishly. Like the other guy is undereducated and doesn't know this common thing.

 

I am not trying to piss you off! I'm just pointing out what at least a few members noticed.

 

My apologies in advance to the Moderator . . mars-hall . . hopefully, you'll excuse me for belaboring this nonsense. If not, then you can take what ever course of action you deem necessary.

 

Guido: Your above post might just be the dumbest, most pompous and inconsiderate post I can remember seeing. "There is a slight arrogant tone in my replies". Really? Thank you for your expert assessment of my posts. Do you think it just might be arrogant for you to post an unsolicited assessment of my posts?? Someone asks me to explain a phrase that I used . . and my explanation of that phrase "sounds snobbishly" to you. Then you go on to say "like the other guy is undereducated and does not know this common thing". Well, it's not a common thing and most people do not know it. To assume, as you have done, that it's a common thing and that most people already know it is, . . . arrogant on your behalf??? If the other guy knew this "common thing" he wouldn't have asked what it meant. This is America pal . . . . and I'm from New York. We have a certain way of saying and doing things. If I'm intending to be arrogant with someone . . . there will be nothing "slight" about it. Rather that micro analyze the tone of everything I say, why not just listen to the message . .. or ignore it? I find it rather comical that you do not view your question to the Moderator of . . . . "Or is his real name St. Patrick?" as being cynical or arrogant.

 

Mars-hall . . . I'm getting as tired of having to go through all of this bull s*** that I go through, as you are of seeing it. I posted a salute to the US service men that were murdered at Pearl Harbor on another thread . . . then I had to read posts in response, that suggested we brought that on our selves and then I was expected to stand down?? I had to listen to someone say that those in the US Military had willfully taken a "career of killing people" and then be expected to stand down?

 

I'm not about to change who I am. I find nothing wrong with my conduct here on the HOC, with the exception of a post I made many moons ago regarding the French.

 

It just might be in the best interest of the HOC for you to discuss with John (Admin) blocking my URL and banning me from participating here. I've got no tolerance for overly sensitive thin skinned pantie waists who spend an inordinate amount of time trying to find fault with how I express myself. Now . . that was arrogant.

[Guest HRB853370]

By my estimations, it might be a little on the high side. I don't think you factored in their 4 day work week and the down time they sometimes incur for Christmas, hunting, fishing. I was unaware of these short shut downs until a few recent posts. But, given the above shut downs . . . I doubt that they don't realize 240 work days in a year. I realize it may be skewed a bit because they only recently went to 4 days a week. Then there was the shut down due to the fire . . . the transformer . . as well as other things as well.

 

4 work days per week . . . 52 weeks . . equals 208 work days. Deduct maybe 10 days due to shut downs and you're down to 198 work days . . . X 4 guitars per day equals 792 per year . . X 25 years. . equals 19,800. If I'm correct, they should consider doing a special 20,000th guitar. A one only offering of their choice. Or, in your estimate, a 25,000th guitar. Nothing crazy . . . one of their existing models . . but some special inlay commemorating that mile stone.

 

Since "somebody" wants to nail this down to a gnats you know what, maybe we should get the firm of Pricewaterhouse Coopers to help us out!!

 

LOL