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[Guest HRB853370]

My apologies in advance to the Moderator . . mars-hall . . hopefully, you'll excuse me for belaboring this nonsense. If not, then you can take what ever course of action you deem necessary.

 

Guido: Your above post might just be the dumbest, most pompous and inconsiderate post I can remember seeing. "There is a slight arrogant tone in my replies". Really? Thank you for your expert assessment of my posts. Do you think it just might be arrogant for you to post an unsolicited assessment of my posts?? Someone asks me to explain a phrase that I used . . and my explanation of that phrase "sounds snobbishly" to you. Then you go on to say "like the other guy is undereducated and does not know this common thing". Well, it's not a common thing and most people do not know it. To assume, as you have done, that it's a common thing and that most people already know it is, . . . arrogant on your behalf??? If the other guy knew this "common thing" he wouldn't have asked what it meant. This is America pal . . . . and I'm from New York. We have a certain way of saying and doing things. If I'm intending to be arrogant with someone . . . there will be nothing "slight" about it. Rather that micro analyze the tone of everything I say, why not just listen to the message . .. or ignore it? I find it rather comical that you do not view your question to the Moderator of . . . . "Or is his real name St. Patrick?" as being cynical or arrogant.

 

Mars-hall . . . I'm getting as tired of having to go through all of this bull s*** that I go through, as you are of seeing it. I posted a salute to the US service men that were murdered at Pearl Harbor on another thread . . . then I had to read posts in response, that suggested we brought that on our selves and then I was expected to stand down?? I had to listen to someone say that those in the US Military had willfully taken a "career of killing people" and then be expected to stand down?

 

I'm not about to change who I am. I find nothing wrong with my conduct here on the HOC, with the exception of a post I made many moons ago regarding the French.

 

It just might be in the best interest of the HOC for you to discuss with John (Admin) blocking my URL and banning me from participating here. I've got no tolerance for overly sensitive thin skinned pantie waists who spend an inordinate amount of time trying to find fault with how I express myself. Now . . that was arrogant.

 

Your last sentence made me think of the Geico commercial with the drill sarge that makes lousy counselor, who says "maybe we should send you to mambie pambie land, you Jackwagon!!!

 

With all due respect Patrick, I think the message they are trying to get across is that you get very defensive when somebody points something out to you. Nobody said you have to change your M.O., but perhaps just try not to be so defensive and take the criticism in a positive light.

[Guest HRB853370]

My apologies in advance to the Moderator . . mars-hall . . hopefully, you'll excuse me for belaboring this nonsense. If not, then you can take what ever course of action you deem necessary.

 

Guido: Your above post might just be the dumbest, most pompous and inconsiderate post I can remember seeing. "There is a slight arrogant tone in my replies". Really? Thank you for your expert assessment of my posts. Do you think it just might be arrogant for you to post an unsolicited assessment of my posts?? Someone asks me to explain a phrase that I used . . and my explanation of that phrase "sounds snobbishly" to you. Then you go on to say "like the other guy is undereducated and does not know this common thing". Well, it's not a common thing and most people do not know it. To assume, as you have done, that it's a common thing and that most people already know it is, . . . arrogant on your behalf??? If the other guy knew this "common thing" he wouldn't have asked what it meant. This is America pal . . . . and I'm from New York. We have a certain way of saying and doing things. If I'm intending to be arrogant with someone . . . there will be nothing "slight" about it. Rather that micro analyze the tone of everything I say, why not just listen to the message . .. or ignore it? I find it rather comical that you do not view your question to the Moderator of . . . . "Or is his real name St. Patrick?" as being cynical or arrogant.

 

Mars-hall . . . I'm getting as tired of having to go through all of this bull s*** that I go through, as you are of seeing it. I posted a salute to the US service men that were murdered at Pearl Harbor on another thread . . . then I had to read posts in response, that suggested we brought that on our selves and then I was expected to stand down?? I had to listen to someone say that those in the US Military had willfully taken a "career of killing people" and then be expected to stand down?

 

I'm not about to change who I am. I find nothing wrong with my conduct here on the HOC, with the exception of a post I made many moons ago regarding the French.

 

It just might be in the best interest of the HOC for you to discuss with John (Admin) blocking my URL and banning me from participating here. I've got no tolerance for overly sensitive thin skinned pantie waists who spend an inordinate amount of time trying to find fault with how I express myself. Now . . that was arrogant.

 

Your last sentence made me think of the Geico commercial with the drill sarge that makes lousy counselor, who says "maybe we should send you to mambie pambie land, you Jackwagon!!!

 

With all due respect Patrick, I think the message they are trying to get across is that you get very defensive when somebody points something out to you. Nobody said you have to change your M.O., but perhaps just try not to be so defensive and take the criticism in a positive light.

[big bob]

Sp, I thought I would be the last guy to defend Patrick.

But,here goes. Patrick is an Ass hat. Oh yes he is, but he means no mallace, he is just being patrick. He has a great deal of knowledge to contribute , sometimes he just does not know how.

[Patrick]

Your last sentence made me think of the Geico commercial with the drill sarge that makes lousy counselor, who says "maybe we should send you to mambie pambie land, you Jackwagon!!!

 

With all due respect Patrick, I think the message they are trying to get across is that you get very defensive when somebody points something out to you. Nobody said you have to change your M.O., but perhaps just try not to be so defensive and take the criticism in a positive light.

 

Hi Will: That's a great commercial! The actual line is . . . "maybe we should just chug on down to mamby pamby land and get you a set of balls" It's a classic Drill Instructor line that we used all the time. I had to keep from laughing my ass off as I was screaming that line in some poor, frightened kid's face. You know, that guy in the commercial was actually a Marine Corp Drill Instructor before he took the roll of Drill Instructor in the movie Full Metal Jacket . . . . . one of my all time favorite movies!! "Jesus H. Christ". How many time have you heard that one???

 

I can accept criticism as well as anyone else, as long as it warranted. Just because someone misinterprets one or more of my posts as being arrogant .. . that doesn't mean that they were. It means that they were interpreted as such. I won't accept criticism due to a misinterpretation. If someone assumes that I am intentionally being arrogant, then ask for an explanation, as bebove did. When bebove asked why I responded so rudely, I explained that I wasn't being rude, just thinking out loud. I merely said . . ."I don't know why that's an important thing to know, but I guess it makes for interesting conversation". I've got one guy from Italy and another from Germany telling me how I need to phrase my wording in posts so that it is less offensive to them?? I won't have any of it. I wouldn't dare be so "arrogant" as to go into their culture or society and try to instruct them on correct etiquette.

 

I don't know if I'll be welcomed to stay around here or not, but if not, I appreciated knowing you. You're real!!

[Patrick]

Hi Will: That's a great commercial! The actual line is . . . "maybe we should just chug on down to mamby pamby land and get you a set of balls" It's a classic Drill Instructor line that we used all the time. I had to keep from laughing my ass off as I was screaming that line in some poor, frightened kid's face. You know, that guy in the commercial was actually a Marine Corp Drill Instructor before he took the roll of Drill Instructor in the movie Full Metal Jacket . . . . . one of my all time favorite movies!! "Jesus H. Christ". How many time have you heard that one???

 

I can accept criticism as well as anyone else, as long as it warranted. Just because someone misinterprets one or more of my posts as being arrogant .. . that doesn't mean that they were. It means that they were interpreted as such. I won't accept criticism due to a misinterpretation. If someone assumes that I am intentionally being arrogant, then ask for an explanation, as bebove did. When bebove asked why I responded so rudely, I explained that I wasn't being rude, just thinking out loud. I merely said . . ."I don't know why that's an important thing to know, but I guess it makes for interesting conversation". I've got one guy from Italy and another from Germany telling me how I need to phrase my wording in posts so that it is less offensive to them?? I won't have any of it. I wouldn't dare be so "arrogant" as to go into their culture or society and try to instruct them on correct etiquette.

 

I don't know if I'll be welcomed to stay around here or not, but if not, I appreciated knowing you. You're real!!

 

Mi Scusi, bebove . . . it was Mr. aarsvold, and not bebove that questioned why I was answering a question rudely

[Gitfiddler]

Maybe it's my sick sense of humor, but some of these off topic, side-bars are way more entertaining than the original thread topic. Sorry guys, but please keep in mind that most of us are not professional writers. Also, much of what we write is typed quickly and in a kind of stream of consciousness, sometimes missing the entire point in a conversation. That happens often with the written word...as well as the spoken word.

 

However, if we were all just sitting around the old pickle barrell, (or better yet, a bar, sipping an adult beverage) chatting about Heritage guitars and stuff, I bet not one of us would get our panties in a bunch...no matter what country we came from.

 

This is a guitar forum made up of a bunch of really nice folks from every corner of the world...including (God forbid!) slightly politically incorrect, New York ex-Marines. Even if we disagree, we still can do so in an agreeable, respectfull manner. If you have a problem with someone here, one way to deal with it is to not respond. Another way is to give the poster the benefit of the doubt that they probably didn't read their own post carefully before hitting the 'add reply' button. Take a moment to read what you've typed. It might help avoid these very entertaining, yet potentially damaging side-bars.

 

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[yoslate]

I was watching the Grinch the other night on TV with the Grandkids.

 

oops,

 

sorry, wrong thread.

 

 

LMAO, Ray!

[yoslate]

...a kind of stream of consciousness....

 

 

Is this what they mean by "euphemism"? ; )

[FrankV]

Not for nothing, I took no offense whatsoever to Patrick's reply to my question about his turn of phrase. I was pleased he took the time to answer, even addressing me by name. It may well be a common expression in his part of New York, but I've lived in New York all my life and I've never heard it before. I have heard the one that goes "you learn something new every day", however.

Don't ask me what exactly "not for nothing" means, I just like sayin' it.

[Patrick]

Not for nothing, I took no offense whatsoever to Patrick's reply to my question about his turn of phrase. I was pleased he took the time to answer, even addressing me by name. It may well be a common expression in his part of New York, but I've lived in New York all my life and I've never heard it before. I have heard the one that goes "you learn something new every day", however.

Don't ask me what exactly "not for nothing" means, I just like sayin' it.

 

Hey FrankV. I appreciate you jumping in here and I'm glad that you took no offense, as it was clear that I meant none at all. Thanks for openly stating it as well. I've been taking a bit of an ass whoopin' here. Not that I can't handle it . . . but, I'm just glad someone recognizes and openly states that they do not find my comments offensive to them (at least not this one). So, you're from New York all of your life? And you go by FrankV?? I'll have to be sure to remember not to refer to you as "Frankie V." It seems to fit a New Yorker better. In fact, the first time I read your name on one of your posts . . . even though I was written as FrankV . . . I read it as Frankie V. It's a good stage name too. Of course the Tony Soprano wannabies will associate Frankie V. with another certain element. But, I'm pretty certain it's an Italian name.

 

You pose an interesting question regarding the meaning of "not for nothing". We do use it all the time. Only, it usually sounds more like "not fa nuthin". Here's my best guess at what it means, because, not fa nuthin, but I've never even thought about it before. I'm thinking that it's just a grammatically incorrect way of saying . . "not for anything" . . which is probably a condensed version of . . . "not for any particular reason". Anyway, I'm surprised that you've never heard the "sleeps with his hands under the sheets" reference before. I think it's hilarious and I use it often. Where in NY are you from? Do you still live there?

[aarsvold]

Guido: Your above post might just be the dumbest, most pompous and inconsiderate post I can remember seeing.

 

I just simply dont know why you talk to people like that. Are you saying that the intentions behind sentences like this is good and we just simply dont understand the respectful and noble meaning behind it?

 

I am quite new to this forum and I have found it extremely helpful asking a lot of questions, some dumb ones, which many people willingly have answered. I hope it continues like that. I guess that for you guys that have been in this forum for a while, you find Patricks tone to be charming. For a newcomer like me its a bit different.

 

Some people can handle some (mild) critisism and some people cant. Patrick belongs to the last category.

I guess the best sollution for us who find him a bit provocative is to just shut up and instead continue focusing on all the other positive comments we come across in here, something I will do from now on.

At least I have said what I mean about it, and to Patrick and other fans of his tone: I have to respect that you disagree with me.

[brentrocks]

What happened here people?

 

did Patrick and I's math skills create a ruckus?

[chico]

What happened here people?

 

did Patrick and I's math skills create a ruckus?

 

hey Brent you're up early!

 

me too, today. Nine below here in WI..

 

responding to your q..

 

I think it has to do more with tone than math.

 

Those Heritage's are known for tone.

[big bob]

What happened here people?

 

did Patrick and I's math skills create a ruckus?

[JeffB]

Well to be honest.....this and a couple of other threads........see ya later for a while.

I know Im given to waffling idiot posts and threads so you might be relieved.

The tone here has changed. Once warm and melodious, full bodied, rich and open now a harsh, badly played, repetitive lick.

 

Thanks for your help when I asked some pretty dumb questions.

[Patrick]

I just simply dont know why you talk to people like that. Are you saying that the intentions behind sentences like this is good and we just simply dont understand the respectful and noble meaning behind it?

 

I am quite new to this forum and I have found it extremely helpful asking a lot of questions, some dumb ones, which many people willingly have answered. I hope it continues like that. I guess that for you guys that have been in this forum for a while, you find Patricks tone to be charming. For a newcomer like me its a bit different.

 

Some people can handle some (mild) critisism and some people cant. Patrick belongs to the last category.

I guess the best sollution for us who find him a bit provocative is to just shut up and instead continue focusing on all the other positive comments we come across in here, something I will do from now on.

At least I have said what I mean about it, and to Patrick and other fans of his tone: I have to respect that you disagree with me.

 

aarsvold: At the risk of further belaboring this rancor, I'll attempt to answer you open question to me. You'll notice that I didn't respond to your original question in the same way I responded to guido's comments about me to the Moderator. Go back and read his postings. They were derogatory and in an open and public forum. My response to you was simply asking why your first interpretation of my comments is that they are inappropriate or rude? Instead of used the the "just shut up" approach you mentioned above, I respectfully ask that you ask yourself first, if it is possible that you are misinterpreting the tone of my post. Regarding the sentence addressing guido's comments, you ask if it's intentions were good . . . they weren't meant to be. I can take criticism pretty well . . I just bristle and react defensively and harshly to the arrogance of those who think they have the right to openly criticize me, especially when it's unfounded and unwarranted. There is a PM function on the web site. Had you PM'd me with your question of why my response to the original poster seemed to be rude, then we could have had a nice friendly side bar conversation . . and hopefully, I would have been able to make you understand that my response wasn't intended to be rude. Instead, you posted, in an open and public forum, your feeling about my tone, which led to the responses from the jaycee and guido .. . which has led to this long trail of BS. If your's or others' first impression of me is that I'm a rude and arrogant prick . . then that's regrettable. I only ask, respectfully, that you all have the maturity to look further and deeper, if you care to. Peace man!!

[aarsvold]

aarsvold: At the risk of further belaboring this rancor, I'll attempt to answer you open question to me. You'll notice that I didn't respond to your original question in the same way I responded to guido's comments about me to the Moderator. Go back and read his postings. They were derogatory and in an open and public forum. My response to you was simply asking why your first interpretation of my comments is that they are inappropriate or rude? Instead of used the the "just shut up" approach you mentioned above, I respectfully ask that you ask yourself first, if it is possible that you are misinterpreting the tone of my post. Regarding the sentence addressing guido's comments, you ask if it's intentions were good . . . they weren't meant to be. I can take criticism pretty well . . I just bristle and react defensively and harshly to the arrogance of those who think they have the right to openly criticize me, especially when it's unfounded and unwarranted. There is a PM function on the web site. Had you PM'd me with your question of why my response to the original poster seemed to be rude, then we could have had a nice friendly side bar conversation . . and hopefully, I would have been able to make you understand that my response wasn't intended to be rude. Instead, you posted, in an open and public forum, your feeling about my tone, which led to the responses from the jaycee and guido .. . which has led to this long trail of BS. If your's or others' first impression of me is that I'm a rude and arrogant prick . . then that's regrettable. I only ask, respectfully, that you all have the maturity to look further and deeper, if you care to. Peace man!!

Hi Patrick.

Yes I noticed your answer to me was polite so I didnt think much more about it at that time. And also, when I read your first post again, it actually struck me that I probably was wrong, meaning that your intensions was good. I am sorry for that. I guess sometimes you chose words that is easier understood said than written, meaning when your words are written they can sound at bit more harsh than they would have done if I heard you say them.

So case closed i thought after that first post i wrote.

But then this whole quarrel here on this thread rised and I just felt like commenting again. This time I think it was no misunderstanding though. I think its better for all, if we have strong opinions, to be a little modest when we chose our words in a forum like this. We dont need to describe things people are writing as "the worst one have ever seen" and so on. And I further dont think Guido deserved these words, after all he was pretty modest. You dont need to kill him.

When it comes to PMing I could have done that, but at that time it was a pretty tiny issue. What happened after I have no control over.

 

Anyway, there are much more important things to do than discussing how to discuss. I guess its not so interesting for others here to read.

You strike me as a nice guy (which like to use pretty strong language) so yes, peace man.

[byrdland]

Politically correct guitar players. That's an interesting concept.

[byrdland]

Politically correct guitar players. That's an interesting concept.

[schundog]

...You strike me as a nice guy....

 

Sorry, anytime someone says "He seems like a nice guy," I am always reminded of the scene in Tommy Boy when they see thier competitor in a TV commercial, and Tommy says, "He seems like a nice guy," and Richard mocks him. Since I take any opportunity to watch Tommy Boy clips, here is a compliation of them. The scene I'm referring to is at about 1:18. If you don't have an appreciation for Tommy Boy, you are either more mature than I am (very likely) or your funny bone is broken.

 

 

[Guest HRB853370]

Hi Will: That's a great commercial! The actual line is . . . "maybe we should just chug on down to mamby pamby land and get you a set of balls" It's a classic Drill Instructor line that we used all the time. I had to keep from laughing my ass off as I was screaming that line in some poor, frightened kid's face. You know, that guy in the commercial was actually a Marine Corp Drill Instructor before he took the roll of Drill Instructor in the movie Full Metal Jacket . . . . . one of my all time favorite movies!! "Jesus H. Christ". How many time have you heard that one???

 

I can accept criticism as well as anyone else, as long as it warranted. Just because someone misinterprets one or more of my posts as being arrogant .. . that doesn't mean that they were. It means that they were interpreted as such. I won't accept criticism due to a misinterpretation. If someone assumes that I am intentionally being arrogant, then ask for an explanation, as bebove did. When bebove asked why I responded so rudely, I explained that I wasn't being rude, just thinking out loud. I merely said . . ."I don't know why that's an important thing to know, but I guess it makes for interesting conversation". I've got one guy from Italy and another from Germany telling me how I need to phrase my wording in posts so that it is less offensive to them?? I won't have any of it. I wouldn't dare be so "arrogant" as to go into their culture or society and try to instruct them on correct etiquette.

 

I don't know if I'll be welcomed to stay around here or not, but if not, I appreciated knowing you. You're real!!

 

I can relate! Dont leave the forum, please, we all (me included) value your input, and your knowledge. I have learned quite a bit from what you have shared. Like I said once before in another post, I don't know you well, but Patrick is just, well, Patrick! We all have personalities, which is what makes things interesting around here on the forum. Hey, if somebody blasts ya, let em. Don't put up yer Dukes, even if ya really want to. Let it roll baby!

[111518]

I am quite new to this forum and I have found it extremely helpful asking a lot of questions, some dumb ones, which many people willingly have answered. I hope it continues like that. I guess that for you guys that have been in this forum for a while, you find Patricks tone to be charming. For a newcomer like me its a bit different.

 

Some people can handle some (mild) critisism and some people cant. Patrick belongs to the last category.

I guess the best sollution for us who find him a bit provocative is to just shut up and instead continue focusing on all the other positive comments we come across in here, something I will do from now on.

At least I have said what I mean about it, and to Patrick and other fans of his tone: I have to respect that you disagree with me.

 

Thank you for the honesty of this post. As Tully notes, there has been a change in the tone of the board, and many long-time contributors are gone; hard to not see a connection. Seems this thread proves that the tone problem isn't just a result of political arguments, though I'm sure they contribute. I'm an almost absolute believer in free speech, so I'm not sure what can be done about it --ignoring it isn't get us anywhere, and bringing it up provokes more invective. I'm reminded of a line I read somewhere: "There's nothing wrong with narcissists that reasoning with them won't aggravate."

 

Here's my contribution to a solution, since, on reflection, I'm sure I'm part of the problem. I'm not going to comment on anything that is not directly related to music or guitars, and, even then, if the tone of a post takes a turn towards sour, I'm boycotting it. I'll miss this place as a opportunity to exchange views and to clarify my own thinking by writing, but I think we really are at the precipice of losing what HOC has been about, so, time to contribute to a change...

[Guido]

As you all noticed I didn't reply anymore to this topic.

After a good nights sleep I came to the conclusion that it will do no good to this forum.

When I joined the community I was very pleased with the respectful tone and overall kindness.

I wanted to make a point with my reply and yes my reply was intentionally very sarcastic to stress that point.

I guess a few of you understood it and did also understood the motivation behind it.

Thanks to aarsvold for your support! It looks to me that at least you understood my motivation and the way it was meant.

 

For myself I came to the conclusion that the best way to support Heritage in this forum is to talk about their great products and leave the rest out of the public view.

That's my personal lesson learned. Next time I will use the PM function or will totally stay out of this kind of discussion.

 

Guido

[NoNameBand]

Hi Will: That's a great commercial! The actual line is . . . "maybe we should just chug on down to mamby pamby land and get you a set of balls" It's a classic Drill Instructor line that we used all the time. I had to keep from laughing my ass off as I was screaming that line in some poor, frightened kid's face. You know, that guy in the commercial was actually a Marine Corp Drill Instructor before he took the roll of Drill Instructor in the movie Full Metal Jacket . . . . . one of my all time favorite movies!! "Jesus H. Christ". How many time have you heard that one???

 

I can accept criticism as well as anyone else, as long as it warranted. Just because someone misinterprets one or more of my posts as being arrogant .. . that doesn't mean that they were. It means that they were interpreted as such. I won't accept criticism due to a misinterpretation. If someone assumes that I am intentionally being arrogant, then ask for an explanation, as bebove did. When bebove asked why I responded so rudely, I explained that I wasn't being rude, just thinking out loud. I merely said . . ."I don't know why that's an important thing to know, but I guess it makes for interesting conversation". I've got one guy from Italy and another from Germany telling me how I need to phrase my wording in posts so that it is less offensive to them?? I won't have any of it. I wouldn't dare be so "arrogant" as to go into their culture or society and try to instruct them on correct etiquette.

 

I don't know if I'll be welcomed to stay around here or not, but if not, I appreciated knowing you. You're real!!

 

Patrick is Patrick and and you can usually count on him to respond the way he does. He is very passionate about what he believes in as are many of us. I just think Patrick is more comfortable speaking his mind than just thinking things to himself. As you can tell Patrick has a very low self esteem (kidding), actually, I as well as everyone always know whats on his mind and he is very knowledgeable and accurate about things. In the end, I'll ask you this... if you had to go in to a Guitar Center during the Christmas Holiday, who would you want to have your back? I'm just sayin...

[Guest HRB853370]

Patrick is Patrick and and you can usually count on him to respond the way he does. He is very passionate about what he believes in as are many of us. I just think Patrick is more comfortable speaking his mind than just thinking things to himself. As you can tell Patrick has a very low self esteem (kidding), actually, I as well as everyone always know whats on his mind and he is very knowledgeable and accurate about things. In the end, I'll ask you this... if you had to go in to a Guitar Center during the Christmas Holiday, who would you want to have your back? I'm just sayin...

 

Mark, if I want to a Guitar Center during the HOlidays, I would want Patrick for his WALLET, not for my back!!!