MartyGrass Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 My recently acquired H170 is on the left. It had 59s put in by Pete Moreno (Heritage luthier extraordinaire) before I bought it. The Goldtop is just as it came from Heritage. The left sided pot controls the volume of the bridge pup on the burst and controls the volume of the neck on the GT. So they are wired in the opposite way concerning the volume pots. I believed the burst was wired incorrectly and took it to Pete today to correct it. I was surprised when he said the left pot (the one closest to the bridge) is supposed to control the bridge pup. He added that many players need it that way for volume swells during their leads, which usually occur with the bridge pup. He was willing to switch the wiring, which is a five minute job. But I thought he made a good point. I do know that I don't want one of each setup, which I now have. That's too confusing. I'm interested in your thoughts on this.
big bob Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I will check mine tomorrow to see how she is set up. (after the family is up)
koula901 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Marty, those are stunning-looking 170s. What color is the first one, a cherry burst?
MartyGrass Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 I will check mine tomorrow to see how she is set up. (after the family is up) I can't believe you don't know! You should be able to tell us that while under general anesthesia! You must have twisted the knobs on H170s a billion times. I will be shocked if the knob closest to the bridge doesn't control the neck volume. But it wouldn't be the first shock today. Now I know I'm in the twilight zone.
big bob Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I can't believe you don't know! You should be able to tell us that while under general anesthesia! You must have twisted the knobs on H170s a billion times. I will be shocked if the knob closest to the bridge doesn't control the neck volume. But it wouldn't be the first shock today. Now I know I'm in the twilight zone. Doc, I'm a billy player, ie all the knobs are at 10 all the time.. what difference does it make which one does what if they are all at 10?
MartyGrass Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 Doc, I'm a billy player, ie all the knobs are at 10 all the time.. what difference does it make which one does what if they are all at 10? No offense intended. You're right, it wouldn't matter. I'm just losing my grip on reality. I've reached for the volume knob at that position in LPs since I was a kid and it always controlled the neck pup. It's like waking up in an alternative universe when the knobs are switched. I'll pull myself together. I just need a few moments alone.
MartyGrass Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 Marty, those are stunning-looking 170s. What color is the first one, a cherry burst? That's Pretty Girl and Big Butt. It's an antique cherryburst. It's not as Bozoriffic as it could be. Katy, the GT is weight relieved at 7.5 lbs. You might want to consider something like it, only left handed and pink. Personally I'm not thrilled with GTs, but this one has profound inner beauty- great neck, great action and great tone. The camera makes it look fat. I've already ordered Nutrisystem for it. Actually I don't name my guitars.
602a Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 No offense intended. You're right, it wouldn't matter. I'm just losing my grip on reality. I've reached for the volume knob at that position in LPs since I was a kid and it always controlled the neck pup. It's like waking up in an alternative universe when the knobs are switched. I'll pull myself together. I just need a few moments alone. As I have said before you think way too much. Stop thinking, start playing. Wanna hear some sound bites!
MartyGrass Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 I ordered a digital recorder from Amazon. I'll have some sounds pretty soon. The knob really is not a big deal. I have different configurations on various guitars, like a Strat setup, knobs on the PG, etc. and I am versatile enough to adapt. I just thought I'd share a little story. I thought it was odd.
H Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I concur: neck top, bridge bottom. That's how it is on a four pot guitar and it makes sense to follow the 'rules'. Unless it's my 150 which I recently realised I have rewired the wrong way round. Doh. Anyone have a diagram for coil-splitting in a three pot guitar? I'm looking at push/pull pots for my 170 to add that single coil spank. Apologies for the thread hijack!
DetroitBlues Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 The way this guitar is set up, I'd say it should be kept as is. Most LP players who do volume swells typically can only do it with the Neck PU because its the only one they can reach when doing the swells. I think the warmth of the neck pu with a volume swell will work better than a bridge. However, I've never really heard a volume swell using the bridge PU. But if you have a volume pedal, it doesn't really make a difference. Some poeple don't like the volume/tone controls being so close. In fact, I've even seen some people remove the knobs so they don't accidently move the control knobs...
koula901 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 That's Pretty Girl and Big Butt. It's an antique cherryburst. It's not as Bozoriffic as it could be. Katy, the GT is weight relieved at 7.5 lbs. You might want to consider something like it, only left handed and pink. Personally I'm not thrilled with GTs, but this one has profound inner beauty- great neck, great action and great tone. The camera makes it look fat. I've already ordered Nutrisystem for it. Actually I don't name my guitars. Do you mean, like this: NEVER!!
NoNameBand Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 No offense intended. You're right, it wouldn't matter. I'm just losing my grip on reality. I've reached for the volume knob at that position in LPs since I was a kid and it always controlled the neck pup. It's like waking up in an alternative universe when the knobs are switched. I'll pull myself together. I just need a few moments alone. I disagree, on a Paul, there would be another knob more forward that would be the neck volume. I understand that the (top) line of knobs would be the neck pup but also understand with a Three knob set-up, it makes sense to have the top knob bridge (based on it's position) and the more forward but lower knob neck vol. I also agree based on your your instinct to go with your comfort zone so you're not changing the wrong pup vol. Like a custom mod. I forgot to say, what a beautiful pair of guitars!!!
DetroitBlues Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I forgot to mention that myself. Beautiful set of guitars!
MartyGrass Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 Do you mean, like this: NEVER!! I have to stop looking at that SG. I'm starting to think that it wouldn't look that bad with an ebony board. Katy, I thought you might like the H150 or H170 LW since you are used to the H150 style.
602a Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I ordered a digital recorder from Amazon. I'll have some sounds pretty soon. The knob really is not a big deal. I have different configurations on various guitars, like a Strat setup, knobs on the PG, etc. and I am versatile enough to adapt. I just thought I'd share a little story. I thought it was odd. Play some Blues my brother
koula901 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I have to stop looking at that SG. I'm starting to think that it wouldn't look that bad with an ebony board. Katy, I thought you might like the H150 or H170 LW since you are used to the H150 style. Bingo! Actually, eventually I plan on getting either an H 150 CM LW, or H 170 . . . .unless stuffing some natural sponge in my H 535 works in terms of feedback control. I just haven't been able to get myself to do that yet . . .
fxdx99 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Beautiful guitars - know what you mean about goldtops, but that one does look special. I'd be tempted to have the wiring like a 150 with the pot near bridge controlling the neck pickup. 170s just have a toggle where the neck tone control usually is, otherwise seems logical to leave the other '3' pots as wired on a 150 style. Volume swells are difficult on 150 style anyway... or most any guitar outside of a strat (and one of the many reasons to have a strat style in the arsenal...). btw - received the new pots for my 150 to swap out the neck pu vol control which had stopped working up in the '9/10' area - right where you HAVE to have them working. Back in business as of last night - 'bout time!
fxdx99 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Yup, sunsetburst - pretty one, eh? Nice voice, too. btw Katy, I'm kinda surprised you have feedback issues w/your 535. I play both my 535/555 at volume (tweed or blackface type amps w/OD in front) and don't have feedback unless I take my hands off and then will get a bit of low feedback starting. Very controllable, tho. Yours sounds like it feeds frequently and difficult to control - and was it a blues junior type amp? Do you have a pedal(s) driving gain in front?
NoNameBand Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Bingo! Actually, eventually I plan on getting either an H 150 CM LW, or H 170 . . . .unless stuffing some natural sponge in my H 535 works in terms of feedback control. I just haven't been able to get myself to do that yet . . . Thats the Seth Lovers in the old semi-hollowbody I keep telling everyone about and no one seems to notice. No wax potting on the Seth Lovers, great pups, great tone, no wax potting = feedback.
NoNameBand Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Beautiful guitars - know what you mean about goldtops, but that one does look special. I'd be tempted to have the wiring like a 150 with the pot near bridge controlling the neck pickup. 170s just have a toggle where the neck tone control usually is, otherwise seems logical to leave the other '3' pots as wired on a 150 style. Volume swells are difficult on 150 style anyway... or most any guitar outside of a strat (and one of the many reasons to have a strat style in the arsenal...). btw - received the new pots for my 150 to swap out the neck pu vol control which had stopped working up in the '9/10' area - right where you HAVE to have them working. Back in business as of last night - 'bout time! Nice guitar, beautiful burst, where did you get the pickguard?
fxdx99 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Thats the Seth Lovers in the old semi-hollowbody I keep telling everyone about and no one seems to notice. No wax potting on the Seth Lovers, great pups, great tone, no wax potting = feedback. I know, Mark - I've seth lovers in my 535 (love 'em btw), but don't have the feedback problem that Katy describes. Why I'm curious (and suspect a lot of gain into the amp?). Pickguard came with the guitar, which is from Wolfe in '05, then thru golferwave to me. Replaced SD59s in it for Stormy Mondays (Bareknuckles). Yeh, it works okay...
koula901 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Yup, sunsetburst - pretty one, eh? Nice voice, too. btw Katy, I'm kinda surprised you have feedback issues w/your 535. I play both my 535/555 at volume (tweed or blackface type amps w/OD in front) and don't have feedback unless I take my hands off and then will get a bit of low feedback starting. Very controllable, tho. Yours sounds like it feeds frequently and difficult to control - and was it a blues junior type amp? Do you have a pedal(s) driving gain in front? fxdx99 - will PM ya, so as not to hijack this thread.
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