ingeneri Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 All right - maybe next month we can get an article in Cork Sniifer... This is a joke people - I think this is great news, but it is funny what the Cork Sniffers will sniff cork about. I don't think we've ever agreed on anything in this forum....until now!
FredZepp Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 I love the news, it doesn't matter to me as far as the love of the guitars, but still it is an interesting new development. And yes... when someone gets a pic, it would be great to see this slight change. And Jack.. I love your idea for the KR9... Kalamazoo made is the finest.
Dick Seacup Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 From a G-corporate perspective, there should be no reason not to do it. From a Gibson perspective the major reason not to do that is because it would validate Heritage as not only the one company with a valid claim to being a direct descendent of the "golden age" but as being more capable than Gibson's own operation/workers in delivering the authentic goods. Henry J. might be bat shit crazy but he's not (usually) stupid when it comes to business. Just my $0.02.
schundog Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 This should make one of our former members quite happy; I know he was one who was insistent that his next LP/150 have a long tenon. Hey, maybe he even had something to do with them making the change! Trust me, I'm NOT trying to drum up bad feelings here, just remembering a thread where he was talking about it.
FredZepp Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 From a Gibson perspective the major reason not to do that is because it would validate Heritage as not only the one company with a valid claim to being a direct descendent of the "golden age" but as being more capable than Gibson's own operation/workers in delivering the authentic goods. Henry J. might be bat shit crazy but he's not (usually) stupid when it comes to business. Just my $0.02. Yes... I agree with you from a business perspective. It would be a major marketing coup for Heritage. Those of us that appreciate the fine folks at Parsons St. already think this way about them.... the Heritage of Kalamazoo. They are the real deal when it comes to making the classic guitar designs.
golferwave Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 From a Gibson perspective the major reason not to do that is because it would validate Heritage as not only the one company with a valid claim to being a direct descendent of the "golden age" but as being more capable than Gibson's own operation/workers in delivering the authentic goods. Henry J. might be bat shit crazy but he's not (usually) stupid when it comes to business. Just my $0.02. Your psychological and business acumen assessments of the man are 100% right on.
brentrocks Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 If it increases sales, it's worth it, regardless of what all those headstock sniffers say
JeffB Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 TBH its kind of a non event to me. I have My H150 and am unlikely to buy another. I cant imagine it sounding any better with a long tenon as it already proved itself better, for my needs and wants, with a short tenon than any long tenon LP's I tried before and after I bought the H150. Im not a purist or "I like their old stuff better than their new stuff kind of person. I just found what I needed in a singlecut, mahog and maple cap guitar.
pegleg32 Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 TBH its kind of a non event to me. I have My H150 and am unlikely to buy another. I cant imagine it sounding any better with a long tenon as it already proved itself better, for my needs and wants, with a short tenon than any long tenon LP's I tried before and after I bought the H150. Im not a purist or "I like their old stuff better than their new stuff kind of person. I just found what I needed in a singlecut, mahog and maple cap guitar. I'm with you Tully, I have 2 150's and the combination fulfill all my needs and make me very happy. I don't need any others.
tbonesullivan Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 You just need this stuff, and THEN you'll be in real lala land! http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-Historic-CS-CASE-CANDY-COA-Les-Paul-1959-R9-R8-/290569776006?pt=Guitar&hash=item43a74eeb86
skydog52 Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 You have me wondering if this one has it. I'm still taking delivery if it doesn't.
tbonesullivan Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 note the strategically placed hand! tenon knowledge denied!
blueox Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 "TBH it's kind of a non-event to me. I have My H150, and am unlikely to buy another. I can't imagine it sounding any better with a long tenon as it already proved itself better for my needs and wants, with a short tenon than any long tenon LP's I tried before and after I bought the H150. I'm not a purist or "I like their old stuff better than their new stuff" kind of person. I just found what I needed in a singlecut, mahog and maple cap guitar." Likewise for me. I have my H-150. I would much rather see the guys and gal at Heritage get together in the break room and hash out a new guitar body design or two.
koula901 Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 You just need this stuff, and THEN you'll be in real lala land! http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-Historic-CS-CASE-CANDY-COA-Les-Paul-1959-R9-R8-/290569776006?pt=Guitar&hash=item43a74eeb86 that's just crazy
skydog52 Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 note the strategically placed hand! tenon knowledge denied! Marv is a sneaky one!
FredZepp Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 You have me wondering if this one has it. I'm still taking delivery if it doesn't. Posted Today, 03:05 PM note the strategically placed hand! tenon knowledge denied! That's hilarious.. I tried to zoom in.. but can't tell.
Kuz Posted May 26, 2011 Author Posted May 26, 2011 This should make one of our former members quite happy; I know he was one who was insistent that his next LP/150 have a long tenon. Hey, maybe he even had something to do with them making the change! Trust me, I'm NOT trying to drum up bad feelings here, just remembering a thread where he was talking about it. You are dead on.... trust me.
Jazzpunk Posted May 26, 2011 Posted May 26, 2011 Mainstream enough for me (As are the many other fine Heritage endorsing artists as well, of course) Stop posting pics of this gorgeous guitar! Severe GAS pains forming...must pick up more work...
Halowords Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 I'm happy about this for the simple reason it's one less thing to gripe about. I love my H-150, and from its tone could not distinguish if it had a long, short, or intermediate length tenon. But it is one of those things I doubt would hurt anything and alleviates one of the commonly hear gripes at least on the Internet (although I'd be curious why they went to a short[er] tenon in the first place and if that had any advantages). As for a Gibson/Heritage collaboration, when Hell freezes over. It would undercut Gibson from a business standpoint as it would imply Gibson needed Heritage to make something from its past, and would also validate Heritage when they are kind of in direct competition and Gibson has not exactly gone out of their way to embrace Heritage as a rich and ongoing part of their history. I could be wrong, but I doubt you would ever see that. Ever.
pro-fusion Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 I'm glad they're offering the option for the people who want it. Personally, I've never owned either a Gibson or a Heritage with the long tenon, and I've certainly never noticed any deficiency in tone or sustain. Frankly, my 157 has more sustain that I can practically use, and the best LP I ever owned (an '81 Black Beauty) was the same way. In fact, my 157 reminds me more of that much-loved and missed LP Custom than any Henry J. era Gibson I've played does.
High Flying Bird Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 I could care less. Long/short tenon, what people at other web sites think, etc..... I have never put my hands on a dead sounding Heritage. All this talk about sustain reminds me of Fred Miranda's photography forum. People would spend all day taking pictures of newspapers to test how sharp their lenses were but they wouldn't go out side and use their new lens for what it was made for. Here we test our guitars for sustain then try and learn to play as fast as we can, wasting any sustain we were searching for. I won't be sending any 150s back nor will I turn down a new one with the long "teton." Cuz, you need to rethink your stance on this issue and sell me one of your short tenon 150s. I am sure others will take a few off your hands. I call dibs on Greany.
bobmeyrick Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 All this talk about sustain reminds me of Fred Miranda's photography forum. People would spend all day taking pictures of newspapers to test how sharp their lenses were but they wouldn't go out side and use their new lens for what it was made for. Ken Rockwell's word for them is "measurbators". http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/7.htm
Guest HRB853370 Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 I don't quite get the jist of this thread. Was this a perceived weakness in the past with older Heritages, and was it a reasson for the LP forum to diss Heritages, compared to their beloved guitars?
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