Kuz Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 I think that might be the solution. Doesn't matter how far I am from the amp, as long as I am in front of the speaker as opposed to the side of it, I am in trouble. I will give that a try. I really dont want to plug the f holes, that makes the guitar look awful. This was what I was trying to say. No, I wasn't assuming you had the amp cranked. If you are in a small room with a Deluxe on 3, this just can be too loud for an archtop if you aren't oriented correctly to the amp.
Gitfiddler Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 I just learned something from an amp tech bud of mine. He said that Fender designed its medium powered amps with a linear tapered volume that bumps it to LOUD very early. Deluxe Reverbs got that in spades. So another feedback fix might be to try another amp that has a smoother, more gradual increase in volume. I experimented with that and found less of a feedback problem with my Boogie and lower powered Fender Champ. Their volume pots are more audio oriented (gradual taper) in nature.
cod65 Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 Im not tryint to be a dead horse slammer, because I know you've figured out your issue. But its a good spot to mention this 'plug' (ahem). I had a really cool lefty Hofner Jazzica a few years ago I got on Craigs List locally. I managed to sell it for a good profit at a time when I needed the money. One interesting factory feature that didn't come with my guitar was a set of foam-backed ebony sound plugs. I would've liked to have tried these out, since they looked nice and were supposedly effective for high volume work with this hollowbody. Here's a few pictures of them in place: http://www.guitarristas.info/foros/guitarra-hofner-jazzica-custom-nueva-estuche/112701
H Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 How about if I just stuff a pair of panties in there when they get tossed at me while on stage! Might fill the whole body....
koula901 Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 Im not tryint to be a dead horse slammer, because I know you've figured out your issue. But its a good spot to mention this 'plug' (ahem). I had a really cool lefty Hofner Jazzica a few years ago I got on Craigs List locally. I managed to sell it for a good profit at a time when I needed the money. One interesting factory feature that didn't come with my guitar was a set of foam-backed ebony sound plugs. I would've liked to have tried these out, since they looked nice and were supposedly effective for high volume work with this hollowbody. Here's a few pictures of them in place: http://www.guitarris...-estuche/112701 Those look real nice, cod65
smurph1 Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 Slammer - your priorities are skewed.. Feedback is not to be controlled, it is to be embraced . Give it a great big hug and tell it you Love it!!! You'll love it. The answer is buried above. Proximity, orientation and pole height can be varied to regulate sonic ambrosia - Enjoy! +1 Zillion.. Feedback is my friend..!!
GRMJazz Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 The points about trying other amps are definately valid (I closed out last year with a multiple-band charity gig, performing with my bassist and singer...house amp=Princeton Reverb = nightmare!!!)! I learned the hard way, before my Heritage days, using a Gretsch G400C with various tube amps, that placement was 90+% of the solution. The other, more hard-won solution was developing a more intuitive "relationship" with the guitar... meaning, developing the ability to mute, or "choke", notes that were particularly prone to feedback, howling, whatever ("wolf" notes are what I've come to call them). Now that all of my archtops are laminates, that's much less of an issue, but I still have to stay on my toes in somewhat louder venues, particularly with my Groove Master. My move to Acoustic Image Clarus and a 10" cab keep any issues even more in check, though I tend to not use the notch filter any more (I just like the fuller tone without it) and still focus on placement and aforementioned "choking" when necessary. Now, I'm not using the term "choking" like the Buckeyes vs Da U. Also keep in mind, I'm a jazzer. My vocal trio is pretty mellow. With organ trio, though, I typically play a semi-hollow, and don't give feedback another thought.
tulk1 Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 You want to talk about feedback? Try playing an electrified banjo on stage with a rockish country band. That'll teach you about feedback, eq'ing, amp placement, instrument placement, etc. Not only is that thing a complete hollow body, but the top is ultra sensitive to vibrations. Mine tends to resonate at the "D" frequency. Took me a long time to figure that one out. Then, I have the option of using a DI and can drop the mids by frequency. But, yeah baby! That thing feeds back like it was channeling Jimi.
cod65 Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 two masters of the 'arena jazzbox': Steve Howe Ted Nugent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGtdryPx17M
Guest HRB853370 Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 You want to talk about feedback? Try playing an electrified banjo on stage with a rockish country band. That'll teach you about feedback, eq'ing, amp placement, instrument placement, etc. Not only is that thing a complete hollow body, but the top is ultra sensitive to vibrations. Mine tends to resonate at the "D" frequency. Took me a long time to figure that one out. Then, I have the option of using a DI and can drop the mids by frequency. But, yeah baby! That thing feeds back like it was channeling Jimi. What is a DI Kenny?
Guest HRB853370 Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 Those look real nice, cod65 You like those long white Panties Koula?
tulk1 Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 What is a DI Kenny? Will, that's a Direct Box. Or ... Direct Injection, or Direct Interface ... blah, blah. It's a device for getting acoustic signals up to line level. Basically another preamp in the line. I use an LR Baggs ParaDI - meaning it has a parametric eq built in. And a notch filter - that thing is like gold.
koula901 Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 You like those long white Panties Koula? I'm at work, so, I don't know what you're talking about. I was probably commenting on plugs for a hollow.
barrymclark Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 Hey Slammer. Just to let you know, I had my Cube 80x up to 75% of its volume and off to the side of the amp, it would only feedback if I let it. Some notes, yeah, you could feel it trying but that is when you used your hands to control it by lightly muting the strings. I mean it was LOUD.
Guest HRB853370 Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 Hey Slammer. Just to let you know, I had my Cube 80x up to 75% of its volume and off to the side of the amp, it would only feedback if I let it. Some notes, yeah, you could feel it trying but that is when you used your hands to control it by lightly muting the strings. I mean it was LOUD. I am learning to mute those crazy strings that want to just feedback! Like I said before, its mostly on the second string, I can actually hum a B into the strings and that one will start going nuts!!!
Gitfiddler Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 As mentioned in another thread...if your archtop's top is tap tuned, it will feedback even easier at low volumes. Your 575 is probably not tap tuned, but it is a finely built, solid carved archtop. Amplified solid carved archtops all seem to have certain frequencies that cause more top vibration and resulting feedback. Controlling it is part of the exercise to me. And I'm still learning!!
Guest HRB853370 Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 I don't want to invest in plugs just yet. I think I have this under control, the Gibson GA40 amp is perfect for this guitar. I dial the bass almost all the way down, and hike up the treble just a bit. I have the amp volume set on 50% and the guitar volume all the way up. Its not feeding back, its sounding real jazzy and warm!! I really think (as many have said) it takes the right amp too. Those Fenders just ramp up way too fast.
tulk1 Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 Hey Will, try this just for grins. Turn you pups down to about 7/8, adjust the amp for the difference in volume. I've noticed that some pickups are less prone to overtone/feedback when backed off the dime. Give your ears a few minutes to adjust. That also leaves you room to popUp for a bit o'lead, if need be.
Guest HRB853370 Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 Hey Will, try this just for grins. Turn you pups down to about 7/8, adjust the amp for the difference in volume. I've noticed that some pickups are less prone to overtone/feedback when backed off the dime. Give your ears a few minutes to adjust. That also leaves you room to popUp for a bit o'lead, if need be. Ok, thanks Kenny, will do
Steiner Posted October 6, 2011 Posted October 6, 2011 two masters of the 'arena jazzbox': Steve Howe Ted Nugent Excellent call Cod65!
Kuz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 FWI, Heritage doesn't tap tune tops with pickups mounted to the top. It really makes no sense to tap tune a top where Humbuckers are mounted. If the Heritage archtop has a floater pickup, then there is a chance the guitar was tap tuned, but it doesn't mean if the guitar has a floater that for certain it was tap tuned.
H Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Hey Will, try this just for grins. Turn you pups down to about 7/8, adjust the amp for the difference in volume. I've noticed that some pickups are less prone to overtone/feedback when backed off the dime. Give your ears a few minutes to adjust. That also leaves you room to popUp for a bit o'lead, if need be. +1. Excellent advice.
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