SteveB Posted April 10, 2012 Posted April 10, 2012 Guys-I am new to the forum but not to Heritage guitars. I have a H-535 with HRW's that I love. I want to put HRW's in a 335 that I recently acquired but I know that they are not being provided anymore (and certainly not for the guitar I want to put them in!). I can't find the specs on the HRW's. Any help on a substitute for the HRW's would be greatly appreciated.
Guest HRB853370 Posted April 10, 2012 Posted April 10, 2012 I think the formula is secret like Coca-Cola's. I doubt Ren would release that data.
blueox Posted April 10, 2012 Posted April 10, 2012 Welcome to the HOC. You might get lucky here and find a set of HRWs for sale. The last I looked, there is a set for sale by one of our loyal members in the "Gear Sale" entry under Non-Heritage Goods. Otherwise, I don't know what other pickup would match the HRW aura, but hopefully someone here can suggest something that will get you into that sound. Pickup selection is a subjective matter, as everyone has a sound he/she is looking for, so that it is hard to recommend something.
SouthpawGuy Posted April 10, 2012 Posted April 10, 2012 From memory, and it's been a while, the Duncan Custom Custom in the bridge is similar. Haven't done a direct comparison, but I had a CC in a Godin LGX-SA years ago and the HRWs remind of that particular pickup.
Gitfiddler Posted April 10, 2012 Posted April 10, 2012 After Ren Wall stopped producing HRW's, they switched to offering either unpotted SD Seth Lovers or wax potted 59's in 535's. I think 59's are a bit closer to HRW's, but still not quite as sweet. If I had to choose between Seths or 59's I'd go with Seth Lover p'ups. Only HRW's sound like HRW's to my ear. Sorry SteveB, I'm probably not helping much, but welcome to the HOC anyway!
yoslate Posted April 11, 2012 Posted April 11, 2012 I can't find the specs on the HRW's. I've heard that a goat and the full moon were involved....
111518 Posted April 11, 2012 Posted April 11, 2012 I've heard that a goat and the full moon were involved.... I heard Ren worked with a couple of Italian guys: Al, and NIco.
SteveB Posted April 11, 2012 Author Posted April 11, 2012 Thanks for the advice gents. I think I'll try the Seth Lovers and see if I can get anywhere near the mojo of the HRW's! Glad to be a member of the HOC.
yoslate Posted April 11, 2012 Posted April 11, 2012 Steve, I have Seths in my 535, as do a number of HOC'ers. They are just fabulous in that guitar! Should work well for you.
DetroitBlues Posted April 11, 2012 Posted April 11, 2012 You're going to have to find out the old fashion way... Just keep trying different ones until you find one that works for you...
pushover Posted April 12, 2012 Posted April 12, 2012 You're going to have to find out the old fashion way... Just keep trying different ones until you find one that works for you... Keep in mind.. there's the guitar.. there's the PuP's.... and there's the guitar with the PuP's. When I auditioned PuP's for my 157 they sounded different in my guitar than they did in the guitar I auditioned them in.
DetroitBlues Posted April 12, 2012 Posted April 12, 2012 If you put something like this in, it will make things much easier for you to do pickup swaps... http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/accessories/liberator-1/
Hfan Posted April 12, 2012 Posted April 12, 2012 Steve, I have Seths in my 535, as do a number of HOC'ers. They are just fabulous in that guitar! Should work well for you. I have Antiquities in mine but I think I got a defective set, the finish was all faded and old looking. They do match the aged looking hardware that came with my 535 though, must be a coincidance, almost like someone planned it that way. But they sound great and and I have heard their sound is close to Seths.
Hfan Posted April 12, 2012 Posted April 12, 2012 If you put something like this in, it will make things much easier for you to do pickup swaps... http://www.seymourdu...es/liberator-1/ I don't know Josh, that looks like a very logical and useful invention but it just seems wrong to put that into a classic styled guitar like a 535. I want mine old school. May be easier and faster to solder then to wrestle with the tiny screw holes and getting the wire into the channels. Reminds me of a particularly unpleasant section of some of the equipment I maintained in my previous life. I'm assuming they are srewdown wire clamper thingies.
Millennium Maestro Posted April 12, 2012 Posted April 12, 2012 One thing I will tell you spec wise... They are overwound and have a slightly higher output campared to a vintage pup. Look for a Bridge pickup in the 8.5-9 ohm range if you want to be closer in comparison. Maybe Fralin Overwind 8k neck.9k bridge. http://www.fralinpickups.com/humbuckers.asp#top
Millennium Maestro Posted April 12, 2012 Posted April 12, 2012 I have Antiquities in mine but I think I got a defective set, the finish was all faded and old looking. They do match the aged looking hardware that came with my 535 though, must be a coincidance, almost like someone planned it that way. But they sound great and and I have heard their sound is close to Seths. Antiquities are an AGED pickup designed to look used with the same specs as a seth lover!
Hfan Posted April 12, 2012 Posted April 12, 2012 Antiquities are an AGED pickup designed to look used with the same specs as a seth lover! Ah ha! Actually it was a poor attempt at humor on my part. Guess I need the joker smilies in the future. They do sound great though and who know maybe the tarnish affects the mojo stream somehow..
DetroitBlues Posted April 12, 2012 Posted April 12, 2012 I don't know Josh, that looks like a very logical and useful invention but it just seems wrong to put that into a classic styled guitar like a 535. I want mine old school. May be easier and faster to solder then to wrestle with the tiny screw holes and getting the wire into the channels. Reminds me of a particularly unpleasant section of some of the equipment I maintained in my previous life. I'm assuming they are srewdown wire clamper thingies. It beats constantly heating up the pots for pickup swaps... I've seen another method too where as there is a quick connector that allows you to use the traditional pots while allowing quick changes for pickups... Use something like this on the pots and pickups, you can swap everything in a matter of minutes while retaining all the vintage tone you're looking for. Why companies don't do this, is beyond me. (I believe Epiphone does this now).
Blunote Posted April 16, 2012 Posted April 16, 2012 I've got HRWs in one guitar and Seth Lovers in another. The HRWs are a lot hotter; many of us set the height even with the pickup rings. Both pickups sound great. I'd have a hard time choosing one over the other. That said, I'm sure you'll be happy with the Seth Lovers.
SouthpawGuy Posted April 16, 2012 Posted April 16, 2012 I heard Ren worked with a couple of Italian guys: Al, and NIco. Ha ! It only took me five days to get that one ... duh !
smurph1 Posted April 16, 2012 Posted April 16, 2012 Steve, I have Seths in my 535, as do a number of HOC'ers. They are just fabulous in that guitar! Should work well for you. You got that right!! Welcome to the HOC Steve!!
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