hammerboogie Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 so i guess getting the worlds best guitar wasn't enough, within a month a world class luthier now, mike costa is beyond expert, i had no idea it could get any better, and the neck is so straight,,,, , and its setup E flat and 11's with a wound g,,,, i also had no idea my fingertips could loose layers of skin, no blood yet!
Steiner Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I have a good friend that swears: "Nobody ever got hurt with a sharp tool." Getting a guitar "sharpened" is the best investment there is! Congrats.
DetroitBlues Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 No better guitar to hold in my hands then the one in which a luthier has just set up for me.
heritagefan7 Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 My git teacher swears that a perfectly tuned guitar cannot be in tune for ever open chord--due to the actualy design of the guitar! He told me that Joe satriani paid to have a custom git made that would stay in tue in every chord situation---showed me the pic--the frets were all over the f/b. I looked for the pic but couldn't find it. Interesting.
Kuz Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 My git teacher swears that a perfectly tuned guitar cannot be in tune for ever open chord--due to the actualy design of the guitar! He told me that Joe satriani paid to have a custom git made that would stay in tue in every chord situation---showed me the pic--the frets were all over the f/b. I looked for the pic but couldn't find it. Interesting. This is true. Guitarist are so used to playing out of tune, it based on the design of the guitar. My 11 year old takes private violin lessons with a young smart and demanding woman that plays in the symphony. She talks about when a piece of music calls for playing a B sharp and when a C should be played. Obviously there are no frets on a violin, but I never new there was any difference from a B sharp and a C. I thought they were the same note, but I guess they are not.
H Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 This is true. Guitarist are so used to playing out of tune, it based on the design of the guitar. My 11 year old takes private violin lessons with a young smart and demanding woman that plays in the symphony. She talks about when a piece of music calls for playing a B sharp and when a C should be played. Obviously there are no frets on a violin, but I never new there was any difference from a B sharp and a C. I thought they were the same note, but I guess they are not. The name of the note depends on the key one is playing in, I believe.
Kuz Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 The name of the note depends on the key one is playing in, I believe. Yea, I get that. But I spoke to her about it and she said there was a definite pitch difference between a B sharp and a C note. It is like they are two different notes, but like you said which one you play depends on what key you are in. But they definitely sound different from each other. She was saying they are actually fingered in a slightly different position on the violin thus they sound different. I am glad my kids are learning, really learning their instrument unlike the just beyond basics of their dad.
GuitArtMan Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Yea, I get that. But I spoke to her about it and she said there was a definite pitch difference between a B sharp and a C note. It is like they are two different notes, but like you said which one you play depends on what key you are in. But they definitely sound different from each other. She was saying they are actually fingered in a slightly different position on the violin thus they sound different. I am glad my kids are learning, really learning their instrument unlike the just beyond basics of their dad. I heard a similar story but the example used was F# and Gb. Apparently to a good violinist these are actually different notes.
Buster Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 My git teacher swears that a perfectly tuned guitar cannot be in tune for ever open chord--due to the actualy design of the guitar! He told me that Joe satriani paid to have a custom git made that would stay in tue in every chord situation---showed me the pic--the frets were all over the f/b. I looked for the pic but couldn't find it. Interesting. Steve Vai uses a system called True Temperament, which is supposed to provide perfect intonation. Here is a video:
Steiner Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I've seen that neck, or one like it, before. Delve into the world of guitar temperment and you'll likely find it There are two systems available (IIRC) for improving pitch and temperment on a guitar. Buz Feiten claims to get you "in tune" anywhere on the neck and Earvana is at least honest enough to show a half dozen notes on the fretboard off by a couple cents. The common fretboard and the physics involved won't allow perfect temperment with just a nut change. I like the dissonance found on a standard neck. It provides interesting overtones. This isn't to say that it hasn't fueled my GAS enough to try one of these.
NoNameBand Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 so i guess getting the worlds best guitar wasn't enough, within a month a world class luthier now, mike costa is beyond expert, i had no idea it could get any better, and the neck is so straight,,,, , and its setup E flat and 11's with a wound g,,,, i also had no idea my fingertips could loose layers of skin, no blood yet! Try New Skin liquid bandage on your fingertips. My bass player swears by it. He puts it on before each performance and says it is a lifesaver. www.newskinproducts.com/products/liquid_bandage.aspx
bobmeyrick Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Tune up your guitar with an electronic tuner, play the G# harmonic on the 6th string at the 4th fret and the G# fretted note on the 3rd string at the13th fret. You should hear the two notes "beating" - the harmonic is slightly flat compared to the fretted note and the beat frequency is the difference of the two frequencies. The harmonic is the "true" G#. Equal temperament is a compromise, but without it Western music would not have developed harmonically. Years ago I attended a concert by the minimalist composer Terry Riley, who was playing a piano which had been tuned to "just intonation". The piece was called "The Harp of New Albion", part of which can be heard here. The surprising thing is how quickly you get used to the "out-of-tune-ness".
koula901 Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 My git teacher swears that a perfectly tuned guitar cannot be in tune for ever open chord--due to the actualy design of the guitar! He told me that Joe satriani paid to have a custom git made that would stay in tue in every chord situation---showed me the pic--the frets were all over the f/b. I looked for the pic but couldn't find it. Interesting. Try the Buzz Feiten tuning system. Perfect intonation, everywhere on the neck. I had a suhr with BF, once, was real sweet sounding, had locking tuners, never went out of tune.
tbonesullivan Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 It all comes down to the type of temperament used. A guitar, as it is designed, is I believe pythagorean tuned. Some intervals will be flat or sharp, and some keys don't sound as good as others. EVH famously tuned his B string slightly flat to give a "justified" third as opposed to a pythagorean third, which will have beats. The downside is that you'll have beats forming at other intervals. There really isn't any "perfect" tuning system,regardless of what others will say. ALL are a compromise, and only instruments such as the unfretted strings and trombones can play "in tune" at ALL times.
tbonesullivan Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Try the Buzz Feiten tuning system. Perfect intonation, everywhere on the neck. I had a suhr with BF, once, was real sweet sounding, had locking tuners, never went out of tune. Equal intonation maybe, but perfect intonation doesn't exist.
DetroitBlues Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 My git teacher swears that a perfectly tuned guitar cannot be in tune for ever open chord--due to the actualy design of the guitar! He told me that Joe satriani paid to have a custom git made that would stay in tue in every chord situation---showed me the pic--the frets were all over the f/b. I looked for the pic but couldn't find it. Interesting. I've heard of that and I have seen the squiggly frets too. Looks rather odd, but realistically, it doesn't really matter when you're playing a guitar with any sort of distortion to me.
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