Kuz Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 I am seriously considering, no more than that.... I am with 99% certainty going to change "Greeny" to a different guitar. "Greeny" is about to become a more traditional " '59 Burst' -Adding a Gibby pickguard (sorry, I can't stand the Heritage 150 pickguards) -Changing the pups from "Peter Green out of phase Throbaks" to SLE-101 or SLE-101 Plus pickups so I can have my middle position back. -Possibly swap out to a ABR-1 Bridge that fits in Nashville TOM studs. -Possibly top wrap the strings (since my idol YOSLATE now does this on this guitars). -Changing the name from "Greeny" to "Ol' 59er" So the guitar will go from this.... To look like the '59 in the lower right corner of this GP cover (minus the speed dials)..... (and in noway is this motivated to be like Joe Bonamassa. I just wanted "Greeny" to look and sound like a more tradition '59 Burst (ie losing the out-of-phase middle tone so I can blend the two pups and adding a pickguard for looks & to act as a finger rest). Thoughts anyone?????
Thundersteel Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 A pick guard? Why cover up that beautiful wood? <shakes head>
schundog Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 Well, John, Buddy, I don't think I know anybody more particular about how the individual pieces add up to tone than you do, and I know you know your top end stuff, so I'll bet this comes out sounding GREAT! If not, you know how to get it back to where you had it. Good luck, Man!
Kuz Posted September 10, 2012 Author Posted September 10, 2012 yea, I figure this whole "mod" might cost me a whopping $30 for the price of a pick guard! Then just a quick pickup swap..... We'll see if I actually get around to it....
Kuz Posted September 10, 2012 Author Posted September 10, 2012 A pick guard? Why cover up that beautiful wood? <shakes head> Well, I never would install a pick guard on these three, but for that '59 Burst look.... A Gibby pick guard just looks right. But no guards on these.....
schundog Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 Good call: 'Dems WAY to pretty to cover up any wood!
NewGuy Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 you cannot go wrong with Jon Gundrys Throbaks SLE-101s covers off...
tulk1 Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 John, is that one drilled for a pg already? If not ....... If so, go for it!!
golferwave Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 I think that beauty will make a fine "59" reissue. Keep us posted.
Kuz Posted September 10, 2012 Author Posted September 10, 2012 Nope, no holes yet, that's kind of the issue. But I had the pick guard installed on my McIntuff Carolina Custom (granted it was a handmade pick guard by Terry and much prettier) about a year or so ago and I am glad I had it done. As far as Throbaks, thanks for your input NewGuy. I have 3 different versions of Jon's pickups in all my guitars (check out my signature below). Here are some BEFORE and AFTER pics of the Carolina Custom... Before After Plus the "Old '59" would be in good company with 'guards attached......
Guest HRB853370 Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 I am seriously considering, no more than that.... I am with 99% certainty going to change "Greeny" to a different guitar. "Greeny" is about to become a more traditional " '59 Burst' -Adding a Gibby pickguard (sorry, I can't stand the Heritage 150 pickguards) -Changing the pups from "Peter Green out of phase Throbaks" to SLE-101 or SLE-101 Plus pickups so I can have my middle position back. -Possibly swap out to a ABR-1 Bridge that fits in Nashville TOM studs. -Possibly top wrap the strings (since my idol YOSLATE now does this on this guitars). -Changing the name from "Greeny" to "Ol' 59er" So the guitar will go from this.... To look like the '59 in the lower right corner of this GP cover (minus the speed dials)..... (and in noway is this motivated to be like Joe Bonamassa. I just wanted "Greeny" to look and sound like a more tradition '59 Burst (ie losing the out-of-phase middle tone so I can blend the two pups and adding a pickguard for looks & to act as a finger rest). Thoughts anyone????? Yer a Bonna fan, just admit it!
Kuz Posted September 10, 2012 Author Posted September 10, 2012 Yer a Bonna fan, just admit it! Dude, can play and he does his thing. He is just everywhere now a days, and that's not his fault. The marketing machine is a rolling. I just don't see him as the next "Cream", closer to Gary Mooreish but not as good (and thankfully doesn't have Gary Moore's attitude). I respect him, but his music really doesn't do it for me. To me, he is not really blues, not really rock. More of the in between thing. I am just more of a Robben Ford & Larry Carlton fan. They aren't straight blues and not straight jazz. I guess they are kind of a "progressive" blues. But I respect JB, glad to see a nice guy "getting his".
TalismanRich Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 If you're doing a '59, you might as well include the Klusons.
kidsmoke Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 If you're doing a '59, you might as well include the Klusons. Those look like Sperzels with the with the white Tulip buttons. As somebody who just did a similar "vintage refurbish", I think, as much better as the TonePros Klusons may be than the original, they're still inferior to Sperzels, and tuning stability matters. I went with TPK, and have had no problems, but drilling a hole is drilling a hole. That would be an acceptable exception in my book. I say go for it Kuz, that's a gorgeous guitar either way.
GuitArtMan Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 Those look like Sperzels with the with the white Tulip buttons. As somebody who just did a similar "vintage refurbish", I think, as much better as the TonePros Klusons may be than the original, they're still inferior to Sperzels, and tuning stability matters. I went with TPK, and have had no problems, but drilling a hole is drilling a hole. That would be an acceptable exception in my book. I say go for it Kuz, that's a gorgeous guitar either way. You found the TonePros Klusons inferior to Sperzels? Weird, I found just the opposite. The TPK are my favorite non-locking tuner. I've never been a big fan of Sperzels - I prefer Schallers for that style of tuner, but to each their own.
GuitArtMan Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 John, Why not do the conversion and install a phase switch? I honsestly can't believe that reversing the magnet vs. reversing the wiring makes that much difference (if any at all) in the out-of-phase tone with all the other variables involved. I think it's just a bunch of Peter Green voodoo that is not based in any objective reality. That way you can have the traditional middle switch sound as well as the out-of-phase sound. Just a thought. Bob
lb61906 Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 Man, I miss that guitar..........it was a monster......helluva neck on it too!!!!!
DetroitBlues Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 If you already have other options a your finger tips, why not? Beats spends money on another guitar. Go for it, you've of nothing to lose. And for the record, when it comes to plastic pickguards, the Heritage doesn't do it for me either. Am I mistaken the older Gibson like pickguards they used smaller then actual Gibson's?
kidsmoke Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 You found the TonePros Klusons inferior to Sperzels? Weird, I found just the opposite. The TPK are my favorite non-locking tuner. I've never been a big fan of Sperzels - I prefer Schallers for that style of tuner, but to each their own. No. I should clarify. As I said, I've had no issues with the TPK's, in the 2 months I've had them on the guitar. I don't want to give them a bad rap. I love the Sperzels robust build, aluminum, and post height, and really consider them tops. But no issues is no issues. And i LOVE the looks on my guitar. All good here, with the TPK. My point is more, the tuners on there are top notch, look good, and replacing them may require drilling, so I'd give leaving them my "blessing" relative to the `59 look. As if anybody cares!! cheers!
NewGuy Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 If you already have other options a your finger tips, why not? Beats spends money on another guitar. Go for it, you've of nothing to lose. And for the record, when it comes to plastic pickguards, the Heritage doesn't do it for me either. Am I mistaken the older Gibson like pickguards they used smaller then actual Gibson's? wondering the same thing as I have yet to compare here. wont be long I have been upgrading Historics, for over 12 years, sans the hideglue/italian inlays craze. all "mods" mentioned here are a piece of cake.
NewGuy Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 But giving the the guitar a name (talking to it) ? now that's another story.
Millennium Maestro Posted September 10, 2012 Posted September 10, 2012 I think you should keep greeny as is and buy one of those superior GMoore guitars... Step up in class!
Kuz Posted September 10, 2012 Author Posted September 10, 2012 If you're doing a '59, you might as well include the Klusons. Nope, Ivoroid Sperzels are going no where. They look great and tune great.
Kuz Posted September 10, 2012 Author Posted September 10, 2012 John,Why not do the conversion and install a phase switch? I honsestly can't believe that reversing the magnet vs. reversing the wiring makes that much difference (if any at all) in the out-of-phase tone with all the other variables involved. I think it's just a bunch of Peter Green voodoo that is not based in any objective reality. That way you can have the traditional middle switch sound as well as the out-of-phase sound. Just a thought. Bob Great minds think alike, that is one option I am heavily considering. Thanks
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