Fernando Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I saw this ad on CL: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/msg/3401055789.html The ad reads: "Awesome Fender amplifier, the holy grail of tone. This amp works perfectly and has been kept in great shape. It was one of the few amps to still be made with blackface circuitry in 1968. This is completely original no mods or work done except being reconned, recapped, a three prong power cord added, faceplate change, and new tubes put in a year ago. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. For those of you wondering I'm getting rid of it because I can't afford to keep both my Vibro King and the Super Reverb and I need the extra wattage the Vibro King has. Comes with fully functional footswitch, custom made cover, is ready to get the gigging it deserves." If everything in the ad is true, is $1400 a reasonable price? I am not considering a purchase, only trying to understand the market. I like clean tones and tube amps, and I know Fenders have some clean tone amps, but I don't know much about all the Fender amps from different eras, so anything that would help me understand the market better is much appreciated.
Guest HRB853370 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Looks like a hell of a deal if its true. The street price on a reissue (PC board) is that much. I would be looking at that if I were you. Super Reverbs break up real nice, sooner than Twin Reverbs. Great all around and blues amp at 40 watts.
DetroitBlues Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I swear I've seen them for less... $1450 for a Twin from the 70's, http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/msg/3514877869.html $800 for a Twin Reissue, http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/msg/3532620058.html $750 for a 1x15 Twin, http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/msg/3532507322.html $800 for a Super Reverb Reissue (I think), http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/msg/3471039051.html $700 for a 70's Super Reverb, http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/msg/3510879295.html $350 for a Twin Head from '72, http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/msg/3487963313.html $800 from a mid 70's Super Reverb, http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/msg/3485329912.html $600 for a beat up Twin Reissue, http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/msg/3390776348.html Or take a look at GC Vintage Gear site, http://www.vintageguitars.net/products/searchProds.cfm '66 SR $1800, '74 SR $700,
Fernando Posted January 10, 2013 Author Posted January 10, 2013 I swear I've seen them for less... $1450 for a Twin from the 70's, http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/msg/3514877869.html $800 for a Twin Reissue, http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/msg/3532620058.html $750 for a 1x15 Twin, http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/msg/3532507322.html $800 for a Super Reverb Reissue (I think), http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/msg/3471039051.html $700 for a 70's Super Reverb, http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/msg/3510879295.html $350 for a Twin Head from '72, http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/msg/3487963313.html $800 from a mid 70's Super Reverb, http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/msg/3485329912.html $600 for a beat up Twin Reissue, http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/msg/3390776348.html Or take a look at GC Vintage Gear site, http://www.vintageguitars.net/products/searchProds.cfm '66 SR $1800, '74 SR $700, Yes, dollar for dollar, I see your point. The question is this: "is a '68 original worth $1400?", not "can I buy a mid-70's or a reissue or a twin (all very different from a '68 original, I suppose) for less?"
yoslate Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Local shop, run by some good friends, has had three or four '60's Blackface Super Reverbs in the last six months. All in decent shape, minimal mods (three-prong cords, some cap and resistor replacement, etc.), all sounded good, one fabulous. They were all selling for $1600 +/- $100. If the copy on this one is honest (and it is clearly a drip-edge, so the details make sense), $1400 seems certainly in the ballpark. If it can be had for $1000-$1200, then we're talking. But a Super is a lot of amp to be schlepping around...and they are loud! Were I in the market for a Super, I'd certainly consider this one.
smurph1 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Man..if they are asking that, I wonder what my 67 Bassman is worth? Hmmmmm...
DetroitBlues Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 Yes, dollar for dollar, I see your point. The question is this: "is a '68 original worth $1400?", not "can I buy a mid-70's or a reissue or a twin (all very different from a '68 original, I suppose) for less?" I've heard many buy Silverface and convert them to Blackface. For the price though, I can't help but wonder if you can convince a well known builder to make you one....
Guest HRB853370 Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 I've heard many buy Silverface and convert them to Blackface. For the price though, I can't help but wonder if you can convince a well known builder to make you one.... Convince=$$$ Thats It!
DetroitBlues Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 Convince=$$$ Thats It! Its more then $$$....
212Mavguy Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 @DB, You won't gain satisfaction by getting the lowest price possible on what you want. In your price comparisons, they are not valid because of too many unknown factors in the various amps in your list. What is good and what is bad within each amp? You don't know, do you? Instead, think about how that money you will spend is going to be used over a period of a few years of use. Owning an amp like this one is not for the turn and burn buyer...but instead rewards some devoted diligence to its being...you will get back what you put into it. I'd say that with a recap and reconed speakers that this is a more than reasonable price. When I went all top shelf in all aspects of mine, the results were fabulous. If I bought that amp, I'd verify that the power tube socket resistors, at least, are within tolerance, if not, then get new resistors installed, not a huge expense. But in your OP I see you are not all that serious, just getting a feel for market price. On eBay, that amp would list for a couple hundy more at opening bid. Hope this helps.
DetroitBlues Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 @DB, You won't gain satisfaction by getting the lowest price possible on what you want. In your price comparisons, they are not valid because of too many unknown factors in the various amps in your list. What is good and what is bad within each amp? You don't know, do you? Instead, think about how that money you will spend is going to be used over a period of a few years of use. Owning an amp like this one is not for the turn and burn buyer...but instead rewards some devoted diligence to its being...you will get back what you put into it. I'd say that with a recap and reconed speakers that this is a more than reasonable price. When I went all top shelf in all aspects of mine, the results were fabulous. If I bought that amp, I'd verify that the power tube socket resistors, at least, are within tolerance, if not, then get new resistors installed, not a huge expense. But in your OP I see you are not all that serious, just getting a feel for market price. On eBay, that amp would list for a couple hundy more at opening bid. Hope this helps. The question wasn't about being cheap like me, but rather is it worth it. Being so old, it's hard to tell from the surface. In order to check the components, you'd have to take the risk and buy it. I'm just stating you can buy a cheaper one and have the money ready to invest to replace any worn or out of tolerance components...
212Mavguy Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 ...It's worth it if it fits your playing styles and needs...that's a good price on that one. YMMV...
Fernando Posted January 12, 2013 Author Posted January 12, 2013 @DB, You won't gain satisfaction by getting the lowest price possible on what you want. In your price comparisons, they are not valid because of too many unknown factors in the various amps in your list. What is good and what is bad within each amp? You don't know, do you? Instead, think about how that money you will spend is going to be used over a period of a few years of use. Owning an amp like this one is not for the turn and burn buyer...but instead rewards some devoted diligence to its being...you will get back what you put into it. I'd say that with a recap and reconed speakers that this is a more than reasonable price. When I went all top shelf in all aspects of mine, the results were fabulous. If I bought that amp, I'd verify that the power tube socket resistors, at least, are within tolerance, if not, then get new resistors installed, not a huge expense. But in your OP I see you are not all that serious, just getting a feel for market price. On eBay, that amp would list for a couple hundy more at opening bid. Hope this helps. It does help, thanks. And you're right, I wasn't thinking about buying it, just trying to learn a bit more about amps, since I have huge knowledge gaps when it comes to...well, really, when it comes to anything and everything.
Blunote Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 It was either Skydog or RhodesScholar that sold one of those amps last year. I think he let it go for much less than what this one is going for.
Blunote Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 It was either Skydog or RhodesScholar that sold one of those amps last year. I think he let it go for much less than what this one is going for. http://www.heritageownersclub.com/forums/topic/18411-fender-super-reverb-with-enhancer-fs/page-2?hl=+super%20+reverb Found the latest "For Sale" thread on it. Looks like it was last sold by Martygrass to Bolero.
Fernando Posted January 12, 2013 Author Posted January 12, 2013 http://www.heritageownersclub.com/forums/topic/18411-fender-super-reverb-with-enhancer-fs/page-2?hl=+super +reverb Found the latest "For Sale" thread on it. Looks like it was last sold by Martygrass to Bolero. Huge difference in price, no question. What's the difference between a '68 blackface and a mid to late 70's silverface? Does it justify the price difference? Just to clarify: I am sure Marks's amp was a great deal.
GuitArtMan Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 I sold a '66 Super in a repro box about a year and half ago for $1500. $1400 for a '68 seems reasonable. Looks clean.
Blunote Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 Huge difference in price, no question. What's the difference between a '68 blackface and a mid to late 70's silverface? Does it justify the price difference? Just to clarify: I am sure Marks's amp was a great deal. I'm pretty sure that amp had been converted to a blackface circuit.
bolero Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 everyone wants a blackface fender amp, maybe because of nostalgia, maybe because SRV used one I think the SF fender's from the '70's are great amps: however no legendary guitarist used them in the '60's so they are far less desireable to most people for the record, I had a '73 SF twin that sounded sublime....then a tech talked me into getting it blackfaced, and it sounded WORSE afterwards. eventually I sold it I think ppl don't give SF amps the credit they deserve
212Mavguy Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 @bolero... At least those SF to BF mods are reversible...and my '81 is so different circuitwise from the BF's that it should not be called a Super Reverb at all, the '68 BF gets 40 watts, the '81 gets 70, out of just two 6l6's. Also, the cab on the '81 is larger in height and width than the '68, and it is really heavy as well. But it does have those four original orange frame JBL D110's in it...:~) The '81 can not be truly blackfaced, the circuit is too different. But it does have its own, truly spectacular sound as well.
DetroitBlues Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 Saw a pair at Elderly, Both '66' $1600 and $1850. '72 for $950.
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