Traditional Wiring vs. Master Vol/Tone

[SlappyTappy]

So I've researched plenty a topic on different wiring techniques, IE Gretsch "independent" wiring, Gibson wiring (/w 50s tone cap wiring), etc.

 

I'm also still very much a Fender lover at heart. I love the simplicity of a master volume, master tone, 3 way switch and be done with it!

 

However, in my experience the Independent Gretsch wiring kills a guitars top end the moment you start rolling down the volume pot. My question is: is there any similarly discernible difference in wiring a dual humbucker guitar with 2vol/2tone vs. master vol/tone?

 

I personally can't recall noticing a difference difference with similar guitars I've played. Maybe some of you fine folk can shed some light on it.

[212Mavguy]

Traditional 2v2t does roll off top end with a reduction from max on the volume pot. Some folks solder a capacitor across the pot terminals to correct this behavior. I'm not sure about the value, thinking that values used for a "bright switch" are appropriate, 100-500 picofarad range.

[TalismanRich]

I put a treble bleed on both my 535 and 157. I haven't done the 140 or Mille yet. It really does smooth out the response.

 

Here's the thread. http://www.heritageownersclub.com/forums/topic/5115-treble-bleed-on-a-157/?hl=%2Btreble+%2Bbleed

 

Mojotone wiring harnesses also have a treble bleed incorporated into the setup.

 

http://www.mojotone.com/guitar-parts/guitar-wiring-kits-gibson-style

 

If you want to see how it affects the frequency response of a guitar, download the file GuitarFreak 2.2. You put in the type of wiring, the resistance, inductance and the values of the pots, etc. It will show how peaky a guitar's response really is.

http://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=reference&action=display&thread=3627

[SlappyTappy]

This is all good info but not really addressing my question of the difference between traditional "Gibson" wiring and a master volume/master tone setup.

 

That program is fascinating but way above my technical knowledge

[Steiner]

I put a treble bleed on both my 535 and 157. I haven't done the 140 or Mille yet. It really does smooth out the response.

ere's the thread. http://www.heritageownersclub.com/forums/topic/5115-treble-bleed-on-a-157/?hl=%2Btreble+%2Bbleedojotone wiring harnesses also have a treble bleed incorporated into the setup.ttp://www.mojotone.com/guitar-parts/guitar-wiring-kits-gibson-stylef you want to see how it affects the frequency response of a guitar, download the file GuitarFreak 2.2. You put in the type of wiring, the resistance, inductance and the values of the pots, etc. It will show how peaky a guitar's response really is.

http://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=reference&action=display&thread=3627

 

 

Beautiful post TalismanRich!

[rockabilly69]

This is all good info but not really addressing my question of the difference between traditional "Gibson" wiring and a master volume/master tone setup.

 

That program is fascinating but way above my technical knowledge

Well I own a Gretsch with the Master (Chet Atkins 6122-1962), and plenty of the Gibson style 2vol/2tone setups. If the 2vol/2tone guitar is wired 50's style (tone caps to the middle leg of the volume pots, and center legs grounded on the tone pots) I think it retains highs better.

[H]

Well I own a Gretsch with the Master (Chet Atkins 6122-1962), and plenty of the Gibson style 2vol/2tone setups. If the 2vol/2tone guitar is wired 50's style (tone caps to the middle leg of the volume pots, and center legs grounded on the tone pots) I think it retains highs better.

I've got the Gibson take on rockabilly69's Gretsch and I'd agree with his opinion here.

 

[rockabilly69]

That's a beaut H, that single cut looks great! My Chet is the double cut, and the neck seems to sit way out there:) It took me a while to get used to it. But the Bigsby works great on it, and it is the only Bigsby I've used that stays in tune. I've had particularly bad luck with all things Bigsby!!!

I also love the Filtertrons when playing through EL84 amps!

 

Here's mine...

 

[SlappyTappy]

Ok maybe I didn't state myself as well as I thought.

 

I'm asking if a GIbson style control setup (2vol/2tone) sounds relatively similar to a guitar with a master vol/master tone setup IE only two knobs.

[rockabilly69]

very similiar!

[H]

Ok maybe I didn't state myself as well as I thought.

 

I'm asking if a GIbson style control setup (2vol/2tone) sounds relatively similar to a guitar with a master vol/master tone setup IE only two knobs.

Yes, it does. There's just no 'mix' capability between the pickups so it's a less versatile setup.