the good the bad and the disappointing

[joeyh1485]

I am very sorry this is a new thread about a guitar that I have already posted a thread about but I believe that it warrants a new thread

 

Sorry if this seems like I'm cluttering the forum

 

I have just taken delivery of my blue (the actual colour is more teal green but looks blue on pics) hc150cm

 

Firstly I would like to say that I was not expecting this thing to ring acoustically like it doeas! It sounds sweet unplugged! And it does look fantastic but.......

 

The laquer around the neck joint is missing, there is a crack/scratch by the control knobs, some of the binding is cracked and there is an area of rough laquer on the back of the neck were itmeets the headstock

 

 

I suppose what I'm asking is have I been ripped off? Now there is some cosmetic wear and I fully expect that from an instrument this old (I was told 96?) And he did tell me that it was a second but it concerns me that there was no mention of these problems at all

 

Any comments and/or observations would be greatly welcome

 

I will admit this thing looks gorgeous the teal green top is fantastic I love the wood grain

[DetroitBlues]

Well, judging by the serial number and the hardware, this is an older 150, obviously not a new one. The checking by the controls is probably why this is a factory 2nd, in other words, it was flawed and couldn't be sold at full price. The finish cracking on the upper bout is a sign of being slightly abused as is the missing finish on the heal, again a sign of a guitar that was well played. Also someone has messed with this guitar's hardware as well, since the tuners are gold, but the bridge/tailpiece are chrome. I'd be more concerned about a guitar that looked brand new because that is a sign of a guitar that just didn't sound or feel right to the previous owner. If its well used, then you have a guitar that someone couldn't put down and had to play. A closet queen, your 150 isn't. A road/gig worthy guitar, it absolutely is. With its flaws and such, I'd say it should of been less than $1k for you.

[DavesNotHere]

Certainly the seller did not provide you with full disclosure.

Just saying it is a #2 is not sufficient. Many #2s have undetectable flaws, but if the flaws are visible they should be disclosed. I suspect the back of the neck was the original flaw. The wear and tear/damage most certainly should have been mentioned.

I don't know what you paid or the terms of the sale, but I would contact the seller and perhaps you could reach an equitable solution.

 

By the way, I love the color!

 

Off topic: I've had a few guitars for sale lately and I have tried to document every ding, scratch or imperfection, even at the risk of not making the sale.I would rather not sell it than have someone feel I've ripped them off.

[joeyh1485]

There are some higher resolution pics on my fb page if that helps (link below) although I think you can see what I mean from the pics above

 

https://m.facebook.com/pages/Hello-Sailor-Effects-boutique-guitar-effects-pedals/106850819371533?id=106850819371533&_rdr

 

Yes I am a heathen for removing the scratch plate/pickguard lol and I do intend swapping the bridge/tail piece for a tonepros locking one - purley for cosmetic reasons

[joeyh1485]

Well, judging by the serial number and the hardware, this is an older 150, obviously not a new one. The checking by the controls is probably why this is a factory 2nd, in other words, it was flawed and couldn't be sold at full price. The finish cracking on the upper bout is a sign of being slightly abused as is the missing finish on the heal, again a sign of a guitar that was well played. Also someone has messed with this guitar's hardware as well, since the tuners are gold, but the bridge/tailpiece are chrome. I'd be more concerned about a guitar that looked brand new because that is a sign of a guitar that just didn't sound or feel right to the previous owner. If its well used, then you have a guitar that someone couldn't put down and had to play. A closet queen, your 150 isn't. A road/gig worthy guitar, it absolutely is. With its flaws and such, I'd say it should of been less than $1k for you.

The bridge etc are gold mate its just the poor quality pics that make it look chrome

 

Thanks for the input well played I can deal with it was just incase it was structurally flawed that I was concerned about

[joeyh1485]

Certainly the seller did not provide you with full disclosure.

Just saying it is a #2 is not sufficient. Many #2s have undetectable flaws, but if the flaws are visible they should be disclosed. I suspect the back of the neck was the original flaw. The wear and tear/damage most certainly should have been mentioned.

I don't know what you paid or the terms of the sale, but I would contact the seller and perhaps you could reach an equitable solution.

 

By the way, I love the color!

 

Off topic: I've had a few guitars for sale lately and I have tried to document every ding, scratch or imperfection, even at the risk of not making the sale.I would rather not sell it than have someone feel I've ripped them off.

I completely agree mate I would never sell anything without explaining every detail

 

I traded for a custom rittenhouse guitars relic strat and a boutique mjw roadstar 18 combo amplifier

 

The colour is more teal in person and I am in love lol even the wife commented on how good it looks and she despises all my guitars ha ha

 

Not sure weather to complain about the neck heal or not as this is the only thing really bothering me like

[DetroitBlues]

There are some higher resolution pics on my fb page if that helps (link below) although I think you can see what I mean from the pics above

 

https://m.facebook.com/pages/Hello-Sailor-Effects-boutique-guitar-effects-pedals/106850819371533?id=106850819371533&_rdr

 

Yes I am a heathen for removing the scratch plate/pickguard lol and I do intend swapping the bridge/tail piece for a tonepros locking one - purley for cosmetic reasons

 

I've replaced the hardware on all of my Heritages that had the older Schaller stuff on them. I would suggest though, that if you ever plan on using a Bigsby, to keep the roller bridge. That is a very unique bridge that I've grown to appreciate.

[houndhome]

Any guitar is worth what it is worth to you.I think I would probably have expected some of the defects to have been

declared but if you love it then thats all that matters.I recently bought a 1934 Martin 0-17 with far more cracks than described

(now repaired) but still worth every penny (O.K.or cent to most members of this forum) for the way it sounds.

The last H150 I saw sold in the U.K. was about a week ago,advertised on ebay at a buy-it-now price of £999, from

RichToneMusic in Sheffield and it sold very quickly indeed.It was in a brown sunburst with matching scratchplate and bound headstock.

The condition looked good with the odd chip,and I assume it was a special edition since it had 224 marked on the back of the headstock above

the regular serial number.I dont know how this compares with the price you paid for yours.

I bought my H150 Ultra from Connecticut and had it shipped over,the cost inc. shipping,taxes etc. was about £1230,and I think shes a stunner

(pics included)

[joeyh1485]

I've replaced the hardware on all of my Heritages that had the older Schaller stuff on them. I would suggest though, that if you ever plan on using a Bigsby, to keep the roller bridge. That is a very unique bridge that I've grown to appreciate.

 

No mate the bigsby on my old lp295 goldtop really didnt agree with me

[joeyh1485]

Any guitar is worth what it is worth to you.I think I would probably have expected some of the defects to have beendeclared but if you love it then thats all that matters.I recently bought a 1934 Martin 0-17 with far more cracks than described(now repaired) but still worth every penny (O.K.or cent to most members of this forum) for the way it sounds.The last H150 I saw sold in the U.K. was about a week ago,advertised on ebay at a buy-it-now price of £999, fromRichToneMusic in Sheffield and it sold very quickly indeed.It was in a brown sunburst with matching scratchplate and bound headstock.The condition looked good with the odd chip,and I assume it was a special edition since it had 224 marked on the back of the headstock abovethe regular serial number.I dont know how this compares with the price you paid for yours.I bought my H150 Ultra from Connecticut and had it shipped over,the cost inc. shipping,taxes etc. was about £1230,and I think shes a stunner(pics included)

Wow thats a seriously nice guitar!

 

I really like guitars with wear on so that doesnt bother me it was more the neck heal laquer that I was concerned about but if it is just superficial then I can live with it

 

I traded a guitar and amplifier for it that I payed in excess of £2000 for but I was having trouble selling my amp so definitely wasn't worth that much second hand

 

My head is telling me I got the worse end of the deal but when I pick up this guitar my heat tells my head to shut up and play ha

 

All in all im made up with this guitar and I love the headstock and the heritage logo + I can see that my guitar has some serious playing history

 

Thanks for the comments

[bolero]

for an old guitar that wear would not bother me at all

 

I would maybe touch up the neck joint, if the finish has chipped from neck/body movement...it is common to get small stress fractures there as the neck & body will expand & contract with weather/humidity changes over the seasons

 

that said, the seller should have disclosed that info?

 

funny I had a blue H150 that was a factory secong, with almost the same characteristics...I had the neck pocket touched up ( which was purely cosmetic ) but the binding had cracked in several places like that as well

 

 

this is par for the course, when you buy an older used guitar....I think it gives character some people nowadays spend extra $$ on new guitars, to make them look relic'd!!

 

 

congrats on the guitar, it is very nice!!

[houndhome]

Go with the heart,you may never be rich but you will be happy!!

[joeyh1485]

 

 

 

for an old guitar that wear would not bother me at all

 

I would maybe touch up the neck joint, if the finish has chipped from neck/body movement...it is common to get small stress fractures there as the neck & body will expand & contract with weather/humidity changes over the seasons

 

that said, the seller should have disclosed that info?

 

funny I had a blue H150 that was a factory secong, with almost the same characteristics...I had the neck pocket touched up ( which was purely cosmetic ) but the binding had cracked in several places like that as well

 

 

this is par for the course, when you buy an older used guitar....I think it gives character some people nowadays spend extra $$ on new guitars, to make them look relic'd!!

 

 

congrats on the guitar, it is very nice!!

I'm one of them lol I swapped a relic strat for this guitar lol

 

The seller did not disclose this info but I am happy it is just cosmetic and if thats the cost of finding a guitar that I can keep for longer than a year then I'm happy lol

 

Just a quick question and im sure this is just me being stupid but my serial number does not have a letter in it so how do I determine the year of manufactur? I did read the thread at the top of the forum but I must have missed something?

 

Go with the heart,you may never be rich but you will be happy!!

I'm definitely going with my heart and I couldn't be happier :-)

[joeyh1485]

Just figured out the year is o ha ha I can't believe that lol had a blonde moment woops

[DetroitBlues]

for an old guitar that wear would not bother me at all

 

I would maybe touch up the neck joint, if the finish has chipped from neck/body movement...it is common to get small stress fractures there as the neck & body will expand & contract with weather/humidity changes over the seasons

 

that said, the seller should have disclosed that info?

 

funny I had a blue H150 that was a factory secong, with almost the same characteristics...I had the neck pocket touched up ( which was purely cosmetic ) but the binding had cracked in several places like that as well

 

 

this is par for the course, when you buy an older used guitar....I think it gives character some people nowadays spend extra $$ on new guitars, to make them look relic'd!!

 

 

congrats on the guitar, it is very nice!!

 

I was rather thinking it looked just like the 150 I had of yours too....

[High Flying Bird]

Just a quick question and im sure this is just me being stupid but my serial number does not have a letter in it so how do I determine the year of manufactur?

I think the first number is the letter "O" which makes your guitar a 1998.

[SouthpawGuy]

Looks like some nitro burn on the neck from a non nitro safe wall hanger / guitar stand

 

 

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[jazzblues]

Looks like some nitro burn on the neck from a non nitro safe wall hanger / guitar stand

 

 

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Had the same happen on my Eastman archtop, managed to get the dealer to mark it down a good amount for it.

[dbetts41]

looks like a good used guitar to me... play it good health!

[joeyh1485]

Ive just spent a few hours playing it and I don't think im going to replace the bridge and tailpiece I didn't notice any loss of sustain and it really doesn't bother me that much

 

Looking at the nut the slot for the A string is in pretty bad shape and the string is strung the wrong way round the post so im guessing imay need a new nut soon but I'll get someone who knows what they are doing to sort that out lol

 

Yeah love that this guitar has been played an has a bit of history

 

All in all I am very happy with this guitar it sustains like nothing I've ever played before lol

[SouthpawGuy]

Ive just spent a few hours playing it and I don't think im going to replace the bridge and tailpiece I didn't notice any loss of sustain and it really doesn't bother me that much

 

Looking at the nut the slot for the A string is in pretty bad shape and the string is strung the wrong way round the post so im guessing imay need a new nut soon but I'll get someone who knows what they are doing to sort that out lol

 

Yeah love that this guitar has been played an has a bit of history

 

All in all I am very happy with this guitar it sustains like nothing I've ever played before lol

 

As long as you're happy with it, that's the only thing that really counts.

[joeyh1485]

A few pics of this fine old lady after some more bonding time with her

 

I changed the bridge and tailpiece for tonepros locking (thanks to H for posting the part numbers on numerous threads)

The knobs to gold :-)

For the first time ever I changed the nut (scarey!)

And last but not least I glued figured veneer to the truss rod cover although the colour is too dark so I will be re doing this with flame maple when I get round to it

 

She now plays like a dream! Im putting that down to the tusq nut, I bought both a tusq and bone pre slotted blanks and tried the bone first (from vanson guitars on ebay? ) but I swear the slots looked too deep although in fairness it couls have been my poor fitting anyway the thing did not intonate all that great and the low e rattled to dearh in the slot when played unfretted however the tusq nut was amazing right off the bat

I know that was more down to fit than material but ill be sticking to tusq from now on

 

On setting her up I switched to 9's so thought it might be the perfect time to get use to adjusting the truss rod (again scarey) but now I dont know what I was worried about I'm going to save a fortune doing this myself lol

 

Joey

[H]

Great work It's well worth getting your hands dirty with these jobs; it's money saved and a good lesson learned on the mechanics of a guitar.

[joeyh1485]

I couldn't agree more mate it was actually quite fun to do as well

[bolero]

hey that looks great!!

 

 

nicely done!!