gpuma Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 When I buy any piece of gear I think about three things only: 1) I believe I'll use it 2) I believe I can afford it with my current finances 3) I tend to think it will stay with me forever. Resale value? Couldn't care less
Blunote Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I agree, to me it makes no sense to compare $ losses. Only % losses counts in an apple to apple comparison I disagree. You're not buying 2/3rds of a guitar when you buy a Heritage. You get the whole thing -you just spend less. And even though the % resale (from list) hit may be higher for the Heritage, the actual $dollars lost on resale is significantly less. The % loss only matters if you think you're getting an inferior product from Heritage.
Blunote Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I stumbled onto Heritage guitars by accident when a friend asked me to babysit one he'd inherited. It was a '94 Super Eagle Custom Order. I learned all about it and when the owner offered to sell it, I pounced. Unfortunately, I never could get comfortable playing it. It was just too big for me. So, I sold it to a jazzhead friend that gigs it every weekend now. When I got the burn for an ES335, I came back to Heritage looking for the great guitar I had, in one I could hold for more than a few minutes without my arm going to sleep. The H535 aqnd H555 were on my search list. I found a 2000 H535 for about $1000 less than the used Gibson ES335 Dot I found. The dot was a studio version and didn't come with a bound fretboard or hardshell case. The pups were not all that great and the overall fit and finish was a 7 at best. None of that was true for the Heritage and I could afford to buy it, rather than dream about a Gibson I couldn't. When it's all said and done, I know I bought a 'player' not a 'collector' and that's exactly what I wanted. I'm so thankful that Heritages haven't been discovered by the collector crowd. I'd never have been able to justify one, otherwise. I hope that never changes. I can't afford my dream car or my dream home, but my Heritage is all I've ever dreamed a guitar could be. I can afford that and that's a really good thing. A $3-6000 guitar would be lost on me. The Heritage is already punching way above my weight. It plays a lot better than I do. If I had wanted an 'investment' I would have put more in my 401k. It made 30% last year, but it doesn't make me grin like a 10-year old the way this H535 does. I don't look forward to getting home from work to play with my investment, either. Guitars are for the playing. Playing isn't investing. It's playing and playing is why the guitar was built to begin with. I'm still not sure that all the guitar investors are really investors. They may just be victims of an overactive checkbook combined with never ending GAS. Wait a minute. I may be a guitar investor after all. +1000
Beagle216 Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I stumbled onto Heritage guitars by accident when a friend asked me to babysit one he'd inherited. It was a '94 Super Eagle Custom Order. I learned all about it and when the owner offered to sell it, I pounced. Unfortunately, I never could get comfortable playing it. It was just too big for me. So, I sold it to a jazzhead friend that gigs it every weekend now. When I got the burn for an ES335, I came back to Heritage looking for the great guitar I had, in one I could hold for more than a few minutes without my arm going to sleep. The H535 aqnd H555 were on my search list. I found a 2000 H535 for about $1000 less than the used Gibson ES335 Dot I found. The dot was a studio version and didn't come with a bound fretboard or hardshell case. The pups were not all that great and the overall fit and finish was a 7 at best. None of that was true for the Heritage and I could afford to buy it, rather than dream about a Gibson I couldn't. When it's all said and done, I know I bought a 'player' not a 'collector' and that's exactly what I wanted. I'm so thankful that Heritages haven't been discovered by the collector crowd. I'd never have been able to justify one, otherwise. I hope that never changes. I can't afford my dream car or my dream home, but my Heritage is all I've ever dreamed a guitar could be. I can afford that and that's a really good thing. A $3-6000 guitar would be lost on me. The Heritage is already punching way above my weight. It plays a lot better than I do. If I had wanted an 'investment' I would have put more in my 401k. It made 30% last year, but it doesn't make me grin like a 10-year old the way this H535 does. I don't look forward to getting home from work to play with my investment, either. Guitars are for the playing. Playing isn't investing. It's playing and playing is why the guitar was built to begin with. I'm still not sure that all the guitar investors are really investors. They may just be victims of an overactive checkbook combined with never ending GAS. Wait a minute. I may be a guitar investor after all. +1000 +1001 ;^)
big bob Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Play them like you only have one night left, yep
buzzy Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I hate it when you're late to gig and don't have time to change out of your work clothes.
SouthpawGuy Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I hate it when you're late to gig and don't have time to change out of your work clothes.
brentrocks Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I never got this comparison, and Idon't think it is accurate. G&L guitars don't sound like vintage-style Fender guitars. It is debatable which sounds better, but a G&L doesn't sound like a vintage Fender style guitar. Heritages DO sound like Gibsons. I think what G&L did is what PRS did.... They both took a design and made it more comfortable, easier to play, and more modern sounding. John....I wanst referring to tone....I was referring to the market values and designs
HANGAR18 Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I hate it when you're late to gig and don't have time to change out of your work clothes. I thought maybe he was jammin' in his jammies.
holyroller Posted February 18, 2014 Author Posted February 18, 2014 To funny! You look a bit laa laa in that one.
tdrommond Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Clearly, this seller thinks a Heritage is every bit as valuable as a Gibson. It's pretty, but I don't know enough about this model to judge the value. Seems high as giraffe ears, from here. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HERITAGE-H204-DD-1987-From-Kalamazoo-Factory-VERY-RARE-DIVING-DUCK-Les-Paul-/111271179898?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276
TalismanRich Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 That guy has had the "Diving Duck" listed for ages. Rare or not, I can't see it being worth over 6 grand. He's in a bit of a dream world.
tbonesullivan Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Gibson VOS Les Pauls are over priced., plain and simple. They go for more than their ES-335 guitars, which makes little sense. It takes far more time to build a semi-hollow than it does a solid body. Much more detail required, more finesse, etc etc. If you look at the prices of VOS les pauls, as listed on MF New R8: $4500 New R9: $6000-6300 New R0: $3500 plaintop $6300 Flame top. so, $2800 for a flame top, where the actual piece of wood costs like $200 retail. The finish prep is THAT different? BS. Of course, I have heard that the street price is less. But, I do not think you are getting nearly as good of a deal as you get with a new heritage. not to mention, you can customize your guitar for much easier through heritage than through Gibson.
yuominae Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 That guy has had the "Diving Duck" listed for ages. Rare or not, I can't see it being worth over 6 grand. He's in a bit of a dream world. Especially since there is this one here selling for the equivalent of $1000 listed for the last 2 months and which still hasn't sold... They're not popular it seems.
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