Thundersteel Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I saw an ad for someone selling an H-170, and said there is slight finish checking in the neck pocket. I say the neck was broken at the neck joint and re-glued. What say you? They're also selling it for about what a new one goes for--roughly $2500!
Thundersteel Posted July 17, 2014 Author Posted July 17, 2014 I say move on and find another 170. Oh, I had no intention of buying it. I just thought it was funny how they describe "finish checking."
tbonesullivan Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Yeah, that is almost certainly a broken neck joint. Checking my ass. The wood on either side of the neck joint is borked, and the neck itself has obviously shifted upwards. Looks like it was dropped in the case, and the weight of the body broke the neck joint. Checking often starts at a body joint, that is true, but not like that. no way no how.
big bob Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Some people are just crooks. I won't buy a guitar, even from HOC members, with out a in hand inspection first!
davesultra Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Finish checking my @ss! Looks more like it absorbed a body checking!
CJTopes Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Certainly not "checking" and if the neck joint isnt broken it looks like it took a really bad shot to the neck....
MartyGrass Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Heritage has had problems with checking at the neck joint and near the tuners. I heard about it a year ago first and several times since. The neck pocket does not look broken to me. Those look like stress cracks, consistent with a brittle nitro batch. A repair wouldn't scar that way. I suggest you avoid the purchase anyway because you don't want to explain to your buddies that it looks worse than it is.
big bob Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Heritage has had problems with checking at the neck joint and near the tuners. I heard about it a year ago first and several times since. The neck pocket does not look broken to me. Those look like stress cracks, consistent with a brittle nitro batch. A repair wouldn't scar that way. I suggest you avoid the purchase anyway because you don't want to explain to your buddies that it looks worse than it is. ? Clean your glasses.. That guitar took a shot from behind, if ya know what I mean!
MartyGrass Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I don't doubt that a blow to the neck stressed the joint. I'm saying it doesn't look like the wood has been repaired or that the wood is split. The front of the neck joint is pristine. The rim crack goes over the maple cap. It is possible that the mahogany and maple cracked but it is more likely that the nitro split with flexion of the neck.
tbonesullivan Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 There is way too much space, IMHO, for those to be checking. Those are cracks. For that kind of finish damage, the wood is definitely cracked, and I've seen gibson and heritage guitars with that exact same break pattern. You can tell that the bottom of the neck has definitely moved. Also the cracks seem to stop at where the maple cap would be.
tbonesullivan Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Also, the direction of the cracks is not what you would usually just see from checking, which often proceeds in a straight line. The wood is broken. This is checking along a wood joint, and it doesn't deviate at all from the joint and binding:
kidsmoke Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 This guitar was available for sale at the HOC Winter muster. It was brand spanking new, built as spec'd by Chicago Music Exchange. Gorgeous guitar, with evidence of light checking at the pocket. It has greatly deteriorated since then (March)
kidsmoke Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 I don't believe this is broken at all, having played it and looked at it closely at the time, (as did others here) I think its a failed neck joint that is separating as time goes by. Need to be re-set and refinished, and would be a fine guitar. It was for sale with a full warranty in March, from CME, the new owner probably could have purchased it and sent it back to Kzoo for repair at no cost. I dunno how that would work now. It's up for sale as a B-stock...so they're not saying its "good as new"
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