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I see there are few products in the market that provide load to the amp transformer, and the possibility to go Di. Palmer, Mesa, A/DA are just a few names.

 

Anyone here that gigs cab-less?

Suggestions?

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I've been very tempted to go cab-less. My Peavey VK II head can go cab-less, supposedly it sounds really good since Peavey developed the technology because Joe Satriani requested it. (Even though Marshall took Satches endorsement away from Peavey). I also have a Jet City 2x12 Cab that has an XLR output for going straight to a cab. I've never really tried it, but who knows. I guess it all depends how good your sound guy is and if he can get you a monitor level you like and mix with the band correctly.

 

*edit* I believe the last Premier Guitar Rig-Rundown with Billy Gibbons, he doesn't use amp cabinets anymore, but very high tech cab simulators. Might even been amp simulators too. No one argues about his tone as far as I can tell.

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I've been very tempted to go cab-less. My Peavey VK II head can go cab-less, supposedly it sounds really good since Peavey developed the technology because Joe Satriani requested it. (Even though Marshall took Satches endorsement away from Peavey). I also have a Jet City 2x12 Cab that has an XLR output for going straight to a cab. I've never really tried it, but who knows. I guess it all depends how good your sound guy is and if he can get you a monitor level you like and mix with the band correctly.

 

*edit* I believe the last Premier Guitar Rig-Rundown with Billy Gibbons, he doesn't use amp cabinets anymore, but very high tech cab simulators. Might even been amp simulators too. No one argues about his tone as far as I can tell.

 

interesting, though I think neither Peavey nor JC sell a cab simulator as a stand alone product, right?

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Mesa makes a cab clone:

http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/pedals/cab-clone-simulator.html

 

Andertons did a review that got pulled down immediately. I think it was because the guys didn't think it sounded very good. The explanation I saw later is that they were going to fly a Mesa engineer to London to make sure the unit wasn't defective and make sure that they were utilizing it properly.

 

I was really looking forward to this product, so hopefully, it was just a one time glitchy or user error kind of thing.

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Ah... oops. I think I misunderstood what you were looking for. Sorry. I was thinking of something that just did the speaker emulation and wasn't taking on an amps output load.

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I have seen the Mesa cabclone, also Rivera makes a device that seems really nice but very expensive (800 bucks vs. 300 for the cabclone)

 

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You still need the cab or a load box for that don't you?

 

Yes, but you can use a smaller cabinet just as a monitor or bury it in an iso-cab, even off the stage if you like.. The Valveking II, you do not need a cabinet.

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Yes, but you can use a smaller cabinet just as a monitor or bury it in an iso-cab, even off the stage if you like.. The Valveking II, you do not need a cabinet.

Well, in my case, having to lug the cab anyway defeats the purpose (which is to avoid the 4 floors of pain).

 

From the Internet research I have done, it looks like there are either some super fancy units from two-notes or Rivera that ask for something in the neighborhood of a grand or the mesa cabclone that is passive and costs 300 bucks. Not much in between

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Well, in my case, having to lug the cab anyway defeats the purpose (which is to avoid the 4 floors of pain).

From the Internet research I have done, it looks like there are either some super fancy units from two-notes or Rivera that ask for something in the neighborhood of a grand or the mesa cabclone that is passive and costs 300 bucks. Not much in between

You can get the same Valveking 2 Microhead for that price or less used and it weighs 13 lbs.... Sounds great to me!

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Very interested to hear about what you come up with on this. I've been intrigued by the thought that I could put a cab emulator on a head and run it through the PA.

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Very interested to hear about what you come up with on this. I've been intrigued by the thought that I could put a cab emulator on a head and run it through the PA.

That's how I setup, go direct and use in ear monitors and just use the Amp for sustain/Feedback.

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Well, I am a Boogie fan boy but I have to say that either my unit is defective or Mesa really f-ed up big time with these things. I have tried it so far only through my usb interface and through the headphones. I found it so bad that i feel I have been taken advantage of for my brand loyalty.

My mark V has as much headroom as any other amp on the planet and yet I wasn't able to get a decent clean out of it.

I still have to try it over a 'live' setting through a PA but I am tempted to just return it. What a disappointment! I mean it is so bad that I refuse to believe they actually put out such a product

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I am struggling to get my head around Mesa flying someone to the UK from the US to find out what the problem is with a us$299 product. Sounds a bit like bs.

I think they would just open another box and try that. If there was still a problem then mesa would send them one that they knew worked.

Maybe there is some kind of language barrier and they couldnt communicate over phone or maybe skype was down.

 

 

Really mixed reviews on the cab clone. Its tough to know with out trying it. On the one hand some people think its great and others think its pretty bad.

When it gets here next week I guess I will find out for myself. Im hoping its something that is useable in a gig situation.

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I'd be really curious to hear your opinion on it.

This afternoon I am going to try it in a gig setting i.e. through a PA. This would be the main use I have for it. I hope it will work out.

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Really mixed reviews on the cab clone. Its tough to know with out trying it. On the one hand some people think its great and others think its pretty bad.

so thats just the one hand. Conflict on the one hand and no word from the other. Lets not go there.

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So, I tried it also on the PA, and it still sounded awful.

It either is a defective unit or is just sucks. Either way it is going back

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