gpuma Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 I see there are few products in the market that provide load to the amp transformer, and the possibility to go Di. Palmer, Mesa, A/DA are just a few names. Anyone here that gigs cab-less? Suggestions?
barrymclark Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 I think ADA has one that got reviewed well on a certain jazz guitar forum.
DetroitBlues Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 I've been very tempted to go cab-less. My Peavey VK II head can go cab-less, supposedly it sounds really good since Peavey developed the technology because Joe Satriani requested it. (Even though Marshall took Satches endorsement away from Peavey). I also have a Jet City 2x12 Cab that has an XLR output for going straight to a cab. I've never really tried it, but who knows. I guess it all depends how good your sound guy is and if he can get you a monitor level you like and mix with the band correctly. *edit* I believe the last Premier Guitar Rig-Rundown with Billy Gibbons, he doesn't use amp cabinets anymore, but very high tech cab simulators. Might even been amp simulators too. No one argues about his tone as far as I can tell.
gpuma Posted October 13, 2014 Author Posted October 13, 2014 I've been very tempted to go cab-less. My Peavey VK II head can go cab-less, supposedly it sounds really good since Peavey developed the technology because Joe Satriani requested it. (Even though Marshall took Satches endorsement away from Peavey). I also have a Jet City 2x12 Cab that has an XLR output for going straight to a cab. I've never really tried it, but who knows. I guess it all depends how good your sound guy is and if he can get you a monitor level you like and mix with the band correctly. *edit* I believe the last Premier Guitar Rig-Rundown with Billy Gibbons, he doesn't use amp cabinets anymore, but very high tech cab simulators. Might even been amp simulators too. No one argues about his tone as far as I can tell. interesting, though I think neither Peavey nor JC sell a cab simulator as a stand alone product, right?
DetroitBlues Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 interesting, though I think neither Peavey nor JC sell a cab simulator as a stand alone product, right? Jet City does... I think its called the Jet Direct. http://www.jetcityamplification.com/#!jetdirect/cllm
gpuma Posted October 13, 2014 Author Posted October 13, 2014 Jet City does... I think its called the Jet Direct. http://www.jetcityamplification.com/#!jetdirect/cllm You still need the cab or a load box for that don't you?
kzoolou Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Mesa makes a cab clone: http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/pedals/cab-clone-simulator.html Andertons did a review that got pulled down immediately. I think it was because the guys didn't think it sounded very good. The explanation I saw later is that they were going to fly a Mesa engineer to London to make sure the unit wasn't defective and make sure that they were utilizing it properly. I was really looking forward to this product, so hopefully, it was just a one time glitchy or user error kind of thing.
barrymclark Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Ah... oops. I think I misunderstood what you were looking for. Sorry. I was thinking of something that just did the speaker emulation and wasn't taking on an amps output load.
gpuma Posted October 13, 2014 Author Posted October 13, 2014 I have seen the Mesa cabclone, also Rivera makes a device that seems really nice but very expensive (800 bucks vs. 300 for the cabclone)
DetroitBlues Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 You still need the cab or a load box for that don't you? Yes, but you can use a smaller cabinet just as a monitor or bury it in an iso-cab, even off the stage if you like.. The Valveking II, you do not need a cabinet.
gpuma Posted October 13, 2014 Author Posted October 13, 2014 Yes, but you can use a smaller cabinet just as a monitor or bury it in an iso-cab, even off the stage if you like.. The Valveking II, you do not need a cabinet. Well, in my case, having to lug the cab anyway defeats the purpose (which is to avoid the 4 floors of pain). From the Internet research I have done, it looks like there are either some super fancy units from two-notes or Rivera that ask for something in the neighborhood of a grand or the mesa cabclone that is passive and costs 300 bucks. Not much in between
DetroitBlues Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Well, in my case, having to lug the cab anyway defeats the purpose (which is to avoid the 4 floors of pain). From the Internet research I have done, it looks like there are either some super fancy units from two-notes or Rivera that ask for something in the neighborhood of a grand or the mesa cabclone that is passive and costs 300 bucks. Not much in between You can get the same Valveking 2 Microhead for that price or less used and it weighs 13 lbs.... Sounds great to me!
Millennium Maestro Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 http://www.palmer-germany.com/mi/en/PDI-09-Passive-DI-Box-for-Guitars-PDI09.htm This is the Palmer that I use... It is placed in front of a power brake. still use a cab to get my feedback and response.
big bob Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Billy gibbons uses an isolation cabinet. Not a simulator. That way he can mic his rig and play it on 10 all the times!
gpuma Posted October 16, 2014 Author Posted October 16, 2014 http://www.palmer-germany.com/mi/en/PDI-09-Passive-DI-Box-for-Guitars-PDI09.htm This is the Palmer that I use... It is placed in front of a power brake. still use a cab to get my feedback and response. Palmer units have a really good reputation. If price were not an issue the pga04 or the older pdi03 would be my first choice.
kzoolou Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Very interested to hear about what you come up with on this. I've been intrigued by the thought that I could put a cab emulator on a head and run it through the PA.
gpuma Posted October 16, 2014 Author Posted October 16, 2014 this unit from Koch seems the best cost/features trade off: http://www.koch-amps.com/lb120-loadbox.html
Millennium Maestro Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Very interested to hear about what you come up with on this. I've been intrigued by the thought that I could put a cab emulator on a head and run it through the PA. That's how I setup, go direct and use in ear monitors and just use the Amp for sustain/Feedback.
gpuma Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 Well, I took the plunge and ordered a Mesa CabClone. Let's see how it goes...
gpuma Posted October 25, 2014 Author Posted October 25, 2014 Well, I am a Boogie fan boy but I have to say that either my unit is defective or Mesa really f-ed up big time with these things. I have tried it so far only through my usb interface and through the headphones. I found it so bad that i feel I have been taken advantage of for my brand loyalty. My mark V has as much headroom as any other amp on the planet and yet I wasn't able to get a decent clean out of it. I still have to try it over a 'live' setting through a PA but I am tempted to just return it. What a disappointment! I mean it is so bad that I refuse to believe they actually put out such a product
JeffB Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 I am struggling to get my head around Mesa flying someone to the UK from the US to find out what the problem is with a us$299 product. Sounds a bit like bs. I think they would just open another box and try that. If there was still a problem then mesa would send them one that they knew worked. Maybe there is some kind of language barrier and they couldnt communicate over phone or maybe skype was down. Really mixed reviews on the cab clone. Its tough to know with out trying it. On the one hand some people think its great and others think its pretty bad. When it gets here next week I guess I will find out for myself. Im hoping its something that is useable in a gig situation.
gpuma Posted October 25, 2014 Author Posted October 25, 2014 I'd be really curious to hear your opinion on it. This afternoon I am going to try it in a gig setting i.e. through a PA. This would be the main use I have for it. I hope it will work out.
JeffB Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 Really mixed reviews on the cab clone. Its tough to know with out trying it. On the one hand some people think its great and others think its pretty bad. so thats just the one hand. Conflict on the one hand and no word from the other. Lets not go there.
gpuma Posted October 26, 2014 Author Posted October 26, 2014 So, I tried it also on the PA, and it still sounded awful. It either is a defective unit or is just sucks. Either way it is going back
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