ironmike Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 ok, here is my dilemma,i now have a spruce top 575 with two seth lovers pickups, i'm thinking if getting a 575 heritage with a floater and X brace,much difference?, or should i get the eagle spruce top with a floater? what is you're experience with theses heritage choices?
Steiner Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 If you're going to go after clean, woody guitar sound (AKA Jazz), the Eagle (even a Sweet 16) will serve you better. The 575 is not as resonant as the 16 and Eagles.
ironmike Posted November 20, 2014 Author Posted November 20, 2014 ok, that's what thought, i've got to get my hands on an eagle..
ironmike Posted November 20, 2014 Author Posted November 20, 2014 is there a big difference between the super and the concert pro golden eagle??
Gitfiddler Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 All of the comments above are accurate if you are pursuing a sweet, thick, jazz tone. Bear in mind that a floater attachment will allow the guitar's top to vibrate more freely. At low volumes, depending on the note frequency and your proximity to the amp's speaker, there will be a faster onset of feedback.
jimsoloway Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Another alternative is to go with an H575 with X-bracing and a a single top mount humbucker. Kind of the best of both.
ironmike Posted November 20, 2014 Author Posted November 20, 2014 thanks the way i'm leaning, right now i have a maple top 575, a spruce 575,both with humbuckers cut into them, do you think that a 575 with a spruce top and maple back X braced with a floating pickup will blow my mind? or do i go for the eagle?
Vanschoyck Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 thanks the way i'm leaning, right now i have a maple top 575, a spruce 575,both with humbuckers cut into them, do you think that a 575 with a spruce top and maple back X braced with a floating pickup will blow my mind? or do i go for the eagle? Do you like a larger body or prefer a smaller one? Do you like a 25 1/2 inch scale? Do you prefer a maple neck to a mahogany one? These are the ponderings I would be pondering. Do you have pictures of your 575's up on the forum somewhere?
ironmike Posted November 20, 2014 Author Posted November 20, 2014 they're posted somewhere , i like either scale, and i like mahogany or maple,so will a 575 x spuce with a floater sound and feel much different than the spruce parallel brace double humbucker 575? or don i jump to the eagle?
Vanschoyck Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 they're posted somewhere , i like either scale, and i like mahogany or maple,so will a 575 x spuce with a floater sound and feel much different than the spruce parallel brace double humbucker 575? or don i jump to the eagle? I think I get your dilemma. If you want to maximize the "feel much different" then I would go for the Eagle; more different. But then for me the scale length really makes a guitar feel different, all else being more or less equal. Body size too; x-braced vs parallel not so much IMO. BUT whatever it is, if it has a floater or single pup I would go with the x-brace when it's an option.
ironmike Posted November 20, 2014 Author Posted November 20, 2014 let's take it a step further then, would you prefer a spruce X braced 575 over a spruce parallel eagle if they both had floaters?
jimsoloway Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 let's take it a step further then, would you prefer a spruce X braced 575 over a spruce parallel eagle if they both had floaters? I'll take it a step back rather than forward. I can't play a 17" guitar. It really doesn't matter what it sounds like. It's too big for me to get comfortable so an Eagle wouldn't be on my radar. You have two 575's. Can you get comfortable with a 17" guitar? I think you need to answer that first. Beyond that, what I can tell you is that I had a spruce x-braced 575 with a floater come though my hands very briefly. It came to me as part of a business deal and it wasn't the guitar for me because I'm uncomfortable playing a guitar with a pickguard but it was an absolutely brilliant guitar and ultimately the guitar that brought me to Heritage in the first place. So I can't compare it to an Eagle but I can tell you that it's capable of being a great instrument.
Vanschoyck Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 let's take it a step further then, would you prefer a spruce X braced 575 over a spruce parallel eagle if they both had floaters? Alright, point blank, I like it. Given what I already have in my collection and my current preferences I would go for the 575 - I have one on order now! (With a built in single pup.) There's a lovely one on ebay even now http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Heritage-H-575-Archtop-Guitar-/221608942412?pt=Guitar&hash=item3398ec1b4c What Jim just said is important I think, about body size.
ironmike Posted November 20, 2014 Author Posted November 20, 2014 cool.i'm gonna wallow in my delema for a while,i dig where you coming from jim. tell me this then, how different is the X bracing from parallel on a 575,i don't need volume, a hairy night for me is when my fender deluxe volume is on 4..so feedback is not my enemy,would i hear and feel a big difference if it were just the X bracing, is it a game changer?
ironmike Posted November 20, 2014 Author Posted November 20, 2014 that's the one van, it's about 25 miles away from me..i'm thinking that or a golden eagle, maybe the golden eagle thinline, all floaters..it's a bloody dilema, i'm sure you all can relate
big bob Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 I'll throw my 2 cents in, but they should be taken with a grain of salt. I have a 575, and a Sweet 16 I don't play straight up jazz... Our band plays more rock, alt, blues. We do stuff like take me to the river and what's going on. We also play stuff like Moutain song by janes addiction, and no sleep till Brooklyn. We play at least once a week, usually fairly loud, or at least small club volume. I use Carr head, through an open back 2x12. Speakers are ceramic and stay clean a long time. I normally use an overdrive and some time based stuff, verb, delay, that kinda thing. They both sound great clean, the 575 has p-rail pups so it can do that Chet Atkins twang if needed. The biggest difference other than the scale length is the tone range.. The spruce top on the sweet 16 has a slower attack and a longer sustain, and the floater kinda clips the top off both the treble and bass. The range of available tone is limited. The maple top on the 575 has a far more immediate pick response but does not sustain as long as the spruce, so it can be crisp. Like the Chet twang, the pups are more articulate if pushed through effects so you can get that Stevie Von sound, or even the Ted Nugent growl. On the other hand when you force the sweet 16 through effects it breaks up really "sweet" great for lead, but does not lend itself to stuff like chords and fills. The scale length on the sweet 16 also lends itself more to lead and can make fills on the fly farther apart. I don't think the difference affects how I play as much as what I choose, or where I choose to go. I don't bend or hammer on pull off as much with the longer scale, not by plan, just more intuition. I play both guitars with the band about the same amount, just depends on the mood of the evening.
ironmike Posted November 21, 2014 Author Posted November 21, 2014 well, that's cool, but i don't play that way,i'm talking about instrumentation ,volume isn't a factor. my stuff is about mic'd 10 watt amps and condenser mics on the box. so the advice (as much as i apreciate it)doesn't help.. my amp and my guitar acoustics are about the same volume, completely different worlds..although i liked the irish chicks that sang t'take me to the river in that movie about irish kids playing soul.
duaneallen Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 If you're looking for a thicker sound, don't go with a floater. The floating pickup that Heritage uses is very thin sounding to me. The set in hum bucker is the only way to go if you want that Wes Montgomery or Kenny Burrell sound. Sounds like you would like a Sweet 16 with a set in hum bucker.
ironmike Posted November 21, 2014 Author Posted November 21, 2014 i've already got a 575 with humbuckers and a spruce top, parallel braced,i'm looking for something that i can double mic, put one on the amp and one on the box, still wondering if the golden eagle with a floater or the x brace spruce floating pickup 575 is the next move, at crossroads of my mind once again. there's a lot to be said for sticking with the same scale, and there is a lot to be said for jumping up in scale,,,,it's a bloody dilemma!
jimsoloway Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 Mike, I don't know how patient you're willing to be but Heritage built me a 575 with a 25.5" scale length and they're currently building me a second one with different woods and body thickness. They're also x-braced. So you really can have it all if you want (and you're willing to have it built for you).
ironmike Posted November 22, 2014 Author Posted November 22, 2014 jim, whats the aproximate price of a heritage 575, spruce top , ebony board, maple back x braced with a floater 24 2/4 scale?
Number8 Posted November 22, 2014 Posted November 22, 2014 I'll throw my 2 cents in, but they should be taken with a grain of salt. I have a 575, and a Sweet 16 I don't play straight up jazz... Our band plays more rock, alt, blues. We do stuff like take me to the river and what's going on. We also play stuff like Moutain song by janes addiction, and no sleep till Brooklyn. We play at least once a week, usually fairly loud, or at least small club volume. I use Carr head, through an open back 2x12. Speakers are ceramic and stay clean a long time. I normally use an overdrive and some time based stuff, verb, delay, that kinda thing. They both sound great clean, the 575 has p-rail pups so it can do that Chet Atkins twang if needed. The biggest difference other than the scale length is the tone range.. The spruce top on the sweet 16 has a slower attack and a longer sustain, and the floater kinda clips the top off both the treble and bass. The range of available tone is limited. The maple top on the 575 has a far more immediate pick response but does not sustain as long as the spruce, so it can be crisp. Like the Chet twang, the pups are more articulate if pushed through effects so you can get that Stevie Von sound, or even the Ted Nugent growl. On the other hand when you force the sweet 16 through effects it breaks up really "sweet" great for lead, but does not lend itself to stuff like chords and fills. The scale length on the sweet 16 also lends itself more to lead and can make fills on the fly farther apart. I don't think the difference affects how I play as much as what I choose, or where I choose to go. I don't bend or hammer on pull off as much with the longer scale, not by plan, just more intuition. I play both guitars with the band about the same amount, just depends on the mood of the evening. Oh my how I would love to see a band that covers Marvin Gaye and the Beastie Boys in the same night. That's epic.
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