Ffking Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Howdy folks....I am going to look at a Heritage 140 with Dvip on Friday and wanted to get some information from the people in the know. I've never played a Heritage but have been researching them quite a bit since I saw this guitar for sale locally. It is in pretty good condition but has a few dings. it is a 2002 H140 with DVip and case. Does anyone have info on what pickups were in this guitar? What neck (compared with Gibson) am I looking at? 50s, 60s, thin, thick etc? Also what is the going market price range on it? Is there anything I should be aware of or look for in particular for this make and model? I will know more about it when I play it of course, but I do have to drive over an hour to check it out. I appreciate any help! Thanks!
DetroitBlues Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 60's Thin D shape, depending on condition, anywhere from $700 to $1100 is my guesstimate. Welcome to the forum and happy hunting!
Ffking Posted December 4, 2014 Author Posted December 4, 2014 Thanks a lot. He is asking a bit more, but I believe he thinks it is a H150. Thanks for the help! Another q....I guess the H150s are generally more desirable than the 140s? If the H150 is the equivalent of a Gibson Standard (this is what I have read), what would be the Gibson equivalent of the H140?
PunkKitty Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 I don't think there is a Gibson equivalent for a 140.
yuominae Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Those pickups look really worn. Could they be SD antiquities? The top on that one looks great. I hope you can get the price to a level where you can buy it.
TalismanRich Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 If that one is a 2002, then it is an H150, not a 140. Its got the Venetian rounded horn, not the sharp Florentine cutaway of the 140. I don't remember when the second edition of the 140 came out, but it was much later than that. In 2003, they were still in the first version. I have a 2005 catalog with the picture of a 140 gold top with the sharp cutaway horn. A dead giveaway (besides the inside of the control cover) will be the body thickness. The rim thickness of the H150 is 2 inches, the H140 is 1.5 inches.
big bob Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Dots on the neck make it a 150 poplar, or a 150 special. Interesting!
gpuma Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Open the control cavity and look at the label. In any event, a 150P or a 150s sell for a slightly higher then a 140, but less the a 150CM
DetroitBlues Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 Thanks a lot. He is asking a bit more, but I believe he thinks it is a H150. Thanks for the help! Another q....I guess the H150s are generally more desirable than the 140s? If the H150 is the equivalent of a Gibson Standard (this is what I have read), what would be the Gibson equivalent of the H140? Looking at the shape of it, it could be a H150 Special. He'll have to remove the control cover plate on the back. On the inside part of the plate should be a label with the model on it. Hard to tell though from your pics. As far as value goes from a 150 to a 140... Well, its debatable. The first runs of 140 were thinner with unbound fretboards and dot inlays, which to me makes them less desirable. The 2nd Generation is much closer to a 150 in appointments, just a thinner body and dot inlays. However, the cutaway matches the 150's and the neck is bound.
Ffking Posted December 4, 2014 Author Posted December 4, 2014 Thanks for the help. I was going by the information that he have me and the stock pics on the heritage site to identify. The dot inlays and rounded horn matched the 140 second edition on the site seen here http://www.heritageguitar.com/models/h140_specs.html.The serial is S28xxx if that helps. I'll see what I can track down with that, but if any of you gurus find out anything, please let me know. Thanks!
Ffking Posted December 4, 2014 Author Posted December 4, 2014 And thanks for the idea of opening the back panel. I can do that to see what I am working with exactly. Y'all have a good day!
Blunote Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 I'm pretty certain it's an H150 Special. H150Ps were opaque (usually black, or gold) and the neck, back and sides would all be the same color, and an unbound fret board with dot markers. H150 Specials had a hardwood body (often poplar) with a maple cap, bound fret board with dot markers.
Ffking Posted December 4, 2014 Author Posted December 4, 2014 Any idea of going price range on these?
FredZepp Posted December 4, 2014 Posted December 4, 2014 My 2000 H-150 has a medium D neck .. so it's possible that this one has that. Of course being hand made the necks vary a lot. It's thinner on my 1992 H-150 and my '88 H-150 has a fat neck.
TalismanRich Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 That's got a maple cap, for sure. 2002 with rounded horn is a 150. An H150 special will have a thinner body than the standard 150, 1 3/4" instead of 2". That will make it a little lighter. It specifies a carved maple top on a "hardwood" back, as opposed to the 150CM which says carved maple with mahogany back. As for desirability, I really like the 140s. Its fun, light and tossable, and still has a great solidbody humbucker sound.
yuominae Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 As for desirability, I really like the 140s. Its fun, light and tossable, and still has a great solidbody humbucker sound. +1 The H140 I had sounded great
Ffking Posted December 5, 2014 Author Posted December 5, 2014 Awesome! I wonder what it means by hardwood back...
Ffking Posted December 5, 2014 Author Posted December 5, 2014 Never mind.....probably Poplar based in comments. Had to retread some. I appreciate the help.
Ffking Posted December 5, 2014 Author Posted December 5, 2014 Thanks for all the help. I am a new heritage owner.
Ffking Posted December 5, 2014 Author Posted December 5, 2014 Oh. And h150 special with some kind of Duncans
Millennium Maestro Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 Price is very subjective to both you and the seller. Used H-150s sell average around $1100 - 1250 some sell higher, some sell lower and condition can be a big factor(Heritage is raising the prices along with all competitors) VIP wiring was an costly upgrade but not very appealing to some buyers, they required 4 wire pickups, which could be Shaller, HRW, seymour duncans....etc. The neck tone control is actually a phase rolloff. I can tell you for sure this is a H-150, with 150s the guitar can be ordered many ways such as with dots and the best way to ID this guitar 100% is by reviewing the inside of the control cavity for the builders tag. You asked about the neck... In this era heritage was changing standard profiles, commonly the previous years has a slimmer smooth C type of shape but I suspect this guitar may have the slim D which had a little more shoulder on the sides and a flatter center. This guitar should be a little on the lighter side, that control cavity is quite large and removes alot of weight. My own personal experience owning a similar guitar! - I really like the volume controls and toggle combination, it is very handy in a performance situation because the controls are really close to the bridge- I rewired mine with a traditional 2 volume 2 tone 2 coil taps (didnt really want the phase options)- a very comfortable guitar to play, Setup is the most important factor to any Heritage I think you are in a really exciting treasure hunt, this could be a very special guitar... If it was a 1/2 year ago I would have bought this guitar as long as it passed my QC and the seller was not an A**. I am willing to assist you, if you PM me with your phone number I will get ahold of you are send you my number back.... If you decide against buying, I would appreciate you letting me know as this guitar is something I was looking for.
Millennium Maestro Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 I guess It took to long to write me response... Enjoy her in excellent health. Pictures!!!!!!!!
Ffking Posted December 5, 2014 Author Posted December 5, 2014 You are spot on MM. I opened the back. H150 Special. Said Nickel Duncan. I assume nickel played Seymour Duncan's. I took a couple of pics in hopes of posting but they are over 1.5 mb. I will see if I can chop them down. I printed a copy of the dvip schematic but I am going to have to play with it a bit to figure it out. Has some dings and buckle rash, but it plays beautifully.
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