yuominae Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 unfortunately am tied up with my extended scale build... if not i be mostly grab tgat deal off you...but again why sell such a sexy guitar ? i bet you never find another like her.... I probably won't, you're right. Normally I'd hang on to it, but I need to move something. I tried selling one of my 157s and a few other axes as well, but I need to pay back a fair bit of money and the other guitars didn't sell, so... Gotta do what I gotta do
hopkinwfg Posted January 7, 2015 Author Posted January 7, 2015 There are big variances in wood.. so there are exceptions. But these have the straight flame and grain that we'd expect from western maple I'd guess that these are eastern maple... with more irregular patterns But ironically, most modern quilted maple is western maple. wow the first flame is cool too.... but i still prefer that kinda "checkered" flame top as known as western flame... cool pics thanks for showing !
rockabilly69 Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 To each is own, I think eastern looks WAY better, the top on the one above with the EMG's and the Schaller hardware is my favorite.
FredZepp Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 To each is own, I think eastern looks WAY better, the top on the one above with the EMG's and the Schaller hardware is my favorite. the Gary Moore version ... hard to beat. My latest LP, has what i appears western maple on the treble side... but a interesting flame on the bass side...
yuominae Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 the Gary Moore version ... hard to beat. My latest LP, has what i appears western maple on the treble side... but a interesting flame on the bass side... Very nice top!
hopkinwfg Posted January 7, 2015 Author Posted January 7, 2015 the Gary Moore version ... hard to beat. My latest LP, has what i appears western maple on the treble side... but a interesting flame on the bass side... what ? lol omg i dont know about that but it seems that if i were to order one off from Heritage i have to state a bookmatch top huh? its eccentric in a way it may be interesting but technically in my way of thoughts its just not responsible that it came that way... but at least a non bookmatched top with the same type of flame lol... think heritage is like trying to get some interesting guitars out ?
yuominae Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 It's difficult to say what happened there. It could have been a book match with the grain just turning out the way when it was split and sanded. It might not have been a custom order either. I'm sure Heritage would give you the top you specify. In any case, I'd certainly not spit on that one if it came my way in a deal
hopkinwfg Posted January 7, 2015 Author Posted January 7, 2015 It's difficult to say what happened there. It could have been a book match with the grain just turning out the way when it was split and sanded. It might not have been a custom order either. I'm sure Heritage would give you the top you specify. In any case, I'd certainly not spit on that one if it came my way in a deal haha it may seems to be too... well im any case where my passion amd affection that overwhelmed is there a nice or good dealer for heritage guitars in amercia that could take on online purchases from overseas ?
FredZepp Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 I should have tagged it better, that last photo is not a Heritage... but a Gibson LP. It's an example of western maple that isn't those consistent straight lines. Back on the subject of 157 vs Customs.. I had my 157 Black Beauty at the dealer to have a new toggle put in and all there agreed it is a great sounding guitar. ( Sheptone pickups and Page wiring ) The owner is a player and obviously liked it. He points to a Gibson LP Custom that he has and says with a smile ... " Would you like to trade it for a real one?" I laughed and explained... " The real ones are made in Kalamazoo... "
yuominae Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 I should have tagged it better, that last photo is not a Heritage... but a Gibson LP. It's an example of western maple that isn't those consistent straight lines. Back on the subject of 157 vs Customs.. I had my 157 Black Beauty at the dealer to have a new toggle put in and all there agreed it is a great sounding guitar. ( Sheptone pickups and Page wiring ) The owner is a player and obviously liked it. He points to a Gibson LP Custom that he has and says with a smile ... " Would you like to trade it for a real one?" I laughed and explained... " The real ones are made in Kalamazoo... " +1!
yuominae Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 haha it may seems to be too... well im any case where my passion amd affection that overwhelmed is there a nice or good dealer for heritage guitars in amercia that could take on online purchases from overseas ? Try Green Oak guitars which is run by a forum member here (I'm sure someone will be along to tell you who in a bit). I've been told he can get to the best prices. Else try MilleniumMaestro, also on this forum, he's recently become a dealer too and he's great to deal with (from personal experience). Otherwise you could check the heritage website where you will find a list of dealers by country. There might be one near you... But honestly is try the guys on the forum first, because they're all nice people.
hopkinwfg Posted January 7, 2015 Author Posted January 7, 2015 I should have tagged it better, that last photo is not a Heritage... but a Gibson LP. It's an example of western maple that isn't those consistent straight lines. Back on the subject of 157 vs Customs.. I had my 157 Black Beauty at the dealer to have a new toggle put in and all there agreed it is a great sounding guitar. ( Sheptone pickups and Page wiring ) The owner is a player and obviously liked it. He points to a Gibson LP Custom that he has and says with a smile ... " Would you like to trade it for a real one?" I laughed and explained... " The real ones are made in Kalamazoo... " cool but please excuse me if am wrong.. as am not an LP guy actually but am trying to get one or perhaps two if heritage build is cosistant enough... but my thoughts of a good sounding LP would be of crystal clear, tight, with a fair amount of bottom end, sweet on the highs thats aggressive enough type of crunch tone huh? whats the holy grail of pickups for a Heritage LP ? will the tone improve on a change of the regular Heritage hardwares to thoese exact gibson types of hardwares found on their historic series ? ie tuners, toggle, input jacks, pots and bridges ?
yuominae Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 cool but please excuse me if am wrong.. as am not an LP guy actually but am trying to get one or perhaps two if heritage build is cosistant enough... but my thoughts of a good sounding LP would be of crystal clear, tight, with a fair amount of bottom end, sweet on the highs thats aggressive enough type of crunch tone huh? whats the holy grail of pickups for a Heritage LP ? will the tone improve on a change of the regular Heritage hardwares to thoese exact gibson types of hardwares found on their historic series ? ie tuners, toggle, input jacks, pots and bridges ? A Heritage 150 will give you all that tone you're looking for as it is essentially the same as a historic Custom Shop Les Paul. I'm not sure if the shape of the headstock affects the tone though? Maybe somebody with a better ear than mine will wager an opinion? You might get more vibration going up the neck because on a Gibby because of the larger headstock? Or maybe slightly more amplitude to the sound because the natural frequency of the neck would be slower I imagine? Everybody here seems to swear by Throbak pickups. I haven't tried them yet, but I've had good results with Manlius pickups for tone. I'm sure the more Gibby spec hardware you use the close you would get to their tone... But that depends on how much funky stuff Gibson are doing to their current historic builds I guess.
hopkinwfg Posted January 8, 2015 Author Posted January 8, 2015 A Heritage 150 will give you all that tone you're looking for as it is essentially the same as a historic Custom Shop Les Paul. I'm not sure if the shape of the headstock affects the tone though? Maybe somebody with a better ear than mine will wager an opinion? You might get more vibration going up the neck because on a Gibby because of the larger headstock? Or maybe slightly more amplitude to the sound because the natural frequency of the neck would be slower I imagine? Everybody here seems to swear by Throbak pickups. I haven't tried them yet, but I've had good results with Manlius pickups for tone. I'm sure the more Gibby spec hardware you use the close you would get to their tone... But that depends on how much funky stuff Gibson are doing to their current historic builds I guess. thanks alot there youminae for the info... so a throbak pickup will gives that specific LP tone huh? well again i always been a superstrat player and a metal player and ya know its always been duncan and BKP... has anybody tried BKP out there specifically those made specially for LP guitar ? does it hit the key of the gate to the LP tone ? or in this case a throbak would be essentially a must have for the LP sound ? am stoked now as my LP craving is drawing wild... i got an email to Jay Wolfe and he is kind enough to reply me with a very exclusive quote for what i felt its a steal !! but he mentioned to getta exact maple top that youminae own is not really tangible... does any of you guys here did get Heritage to email various type of tops for you to choose ? am just thinking it be so cool to pickup your own top among a batch...
greatmutah Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 cool but please excuse me if am wrong.. as am not an LP guy actually but am trying to get one or perhaps two if heritage build is cosistant enough... but my thoughts of a good sounding LP would be of crystal clear, tight, with a fair amount of bottom end, sweet on the highs thats aggressive enough type of crunch tone huh? whats the holy grail of pickups for a Heritage LP ? will the tone improve on a change of the regular Heritage hardwares to thoese exact gibson types of hardwares found on their historic series ? ie tuners, toggle, input jacks, pots and bridges ? Your biggest difference is that a Heritage is always a handmade instrument. Outside of the Custom and Historic Models, a lot of your Gibsons are more mass produced. This isn't a knock against them. But there's a little something to be said about having a handcrafted guitar from top to bottom. As far as tone goes yeah a Heritage does have that LP tone that you would expect it to have. Good sized bottom, thick mids and crisp highs are order of the day. Pickups obviously play a large part in this but the various woods tonal qualities do play a factor. As far as construction and fit and finish goes, of the two that I have, I have NEVER felt I've had anything less than a beautifully crafted instrument. I love Les Pauls and I'll gladly take the Pepsi challenge and put my H-150 and 157 up against any Gibson. As far as pickups, well that depends on you and what you like also. HRWs are considered among the holy grail of pickups for these guitars but they're not produced anymore. Duncans are always a solid choice and they have various models. A lot of people like to go for the old PAF style tones and go straight for Seth Lovers as well as Lollars, Throbaks and more. A lot of what I play is higher gain so I lean more towards pickups with wax potting and usually a higher output. That being said, in my H-157 I dropped in a set of Gibson 57 Classics (G pickups in a H guitar? Blasphemy!) that I love and my H-150 Special has the original Schallers and those sound fantastic at any gain or volume. If you wanted, yes you could try to get a set of high end Gibson pickups to put in there. Whatever you decide to do pickup wise, the base Les Paul tone will be there. And the Heritage cut of LP tone is damn good.
kidsmoke Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 To each is own, I think eastern looks WAY better I concur
yuominae Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 thanks alot there youminae for the info... so a throbak pickup will gives that specific LP tone huh? well again i always been a superstrat player and a metal player and ya know its always been duncan and BKP... has anybody tried BKP out there specifically those made specially for LP guitar ? does it hit the key of the gate to the LP tone ? or in this case a throbak would be essentially a must have for the LP sound ? am stoked now as my LP craving is drawing wild... i got an email to Jay Wolfe and he is kind enough to reply me with a very exclusive quote for what i felt its a steal !! but he mentioned to getta exact maple top that youminae own is not really tangible... does any of you guys here did get Heritage to email various type of tops for you to choose ? am just thinking it be so cool to pickup your own top among a batch... Lol, don't take what I say too seriously. I haven't tried throbaks myself as I tend to like slightly hotter than vintage output and anyway I refuse to spend 400 on a set of pickups when I can get some very nice (to my ears) pickups from Manlius or BG pups for half that price. I think you'll need to experiment with a few pickups to find what you like as each guitar has its own tone after all. But I'd say start with Duncans as they are cheaper and then move up if you must. That'll be more cost effective.
kidsmoke Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Throbaks are a great option, but there are many many alternatives. Also, guitars will have a voice all there own. The same pickups can bring different sounds from each guitar. Keep in mind, within the original stable of 1600 1959 Les Pauls, All built in the same shop in the same year with pickups wound on the same machines by the same people, as designed and implemented by Seth Lover....there was a wide range of tones from one guitar to the next. There simply isn't a Holy Grail. But there is definately a tonal character....a range, that a properly constructed LP with a quality PAF will be consistent with. Start there....your style and your amp and your pedals will tell you what needs tweaking.
hopkinwfg Posted January 9, 2015 Author Posted January 9, 2015 thanks guys...well am thinking to go with a good set of medium output pickup as i also often hits the gain knob to 8... just to keep the hum and noise level lower... am not sure of PAF but the throbaks are too much for the price.. lol thanks for all you guys help and input...i am still puzzled for the hardware like toggle, input jacks, bridges and nut ... may i know how many of you guys here who own a Heritage 150 or 175 did went thru a change in the hardwares from the original ? did it adds bite clarity or in a general idea being better sounding than previous hardwares? and if so what can i go with ? am not very sure on things like that.. please do advise me on little things that can be more pronounced ?
yuominae Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 thanks guys...well am thinking to go with a good set of medium output pickup as i also often hits the gain knob to 8... just to keep the hum and noise level lower... am not sure of PAF but the throbaks are too much for the price.. lol thanks for all you guys help and input...i am still puzzled for the hardware like toggle, input jacks, bridges and nut ... may i know how many of you guys here who own a Heritage 150 or 175 did went thru a change in the hardwares from the original ? did it adds bite clarity or in a general idea being better sounding than previous hardwares? and if so what can i go with ? am not very sure on things like that.. please do advise me on little things that can be more pronounced ? The only reason I've changed hardware in the past on my 150s and 157s has been for looks. It made no audible difference to my ears or anyway not enough difference for me to care. In my opinion the stock hardware is just fine, but again, on a custom build you can just specify whatever you like.
hopkinwfg Posted January 9, 2015 Author Posted January 9, 2015 well thanks alot guys... i think getting the right pickups would be more influential since Heritages already offers up to par quality woods to Gibson huh? guess rest is the pups to be installed.... i then recalled hearing this very very wild crazy guitar god by name of todd duane... i have two of his album which is very very wild especially his previous band call electrocution 250 which is sort of cartoon plus trash kinda music... cant imagine... http://youtu.be/kAy9fZsDdKs here is what i like about his gibson and thats the tone i like so crunchy tight bottom end aggressive and tight sweet on highs with slight saturation and so natural sounding... or maybe i start to getta SLO lol... i went to his website and his pups is BKP rebel yell surprised its BKP !? lol
hopkinwfg Posted January 9, 2015 Author Posted January 9, 2015 man have found another same grade but less wild to what youmena has and this is a gibby standard... same finish i guess with this top is just amazing !
kidsmoke Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 here is what i like about his gibson and thats the tone i like so crunchy tight bottom end aggressive and tight sweet on highs with slight saturation and so natural sounding... or maybe i start to getta SLO lol... i went to his website and his pups is BKP rebel yell surprised its BKP !? lol All my exposure to BareKnuckle p'ups is stellar. Doesn't surprise me in the least. The Rebel yell is one of their High wound PAF variances. 14k bridge pup. Throbaks don't go there because it's not in the "vintage" wheelhouse, although they may do something like that on a custom wind basis. Have fun with your search.
shook494 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I had a Gibby Black Beauty custom shop. My 157 kills it in every way. Better neck profile. Flamed Mae top. Better binding. Everything. I would take a Heritage any day over that. I sold the Gibby years ago. It never got played.
hopkinwfg Posted January 9, 2015 Author Posted January 9, 2015 I had a Gibby Black Beauty custom shop. My 157 kills it in every way. Better neck profile. Flamed Mae top. Better binding. Everything. I would take a Heritage any day over that. I sold the Gibby years ago. It never got played. heard that ! +1
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