Einerbe Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Hi! One question about the drilling. Am I right, the former drilling hole will be covered when I change to the suggested Tulip-style Tuners ? Some of you stated the bottom hole can be used. As I can't see any drilling holes on the images posted here I was wondering whether you filled the former holes or whether they are covered. Hope I could make question clear. Thanks in advance!Ralph
bolero Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 The Grovers that come stock are my favorite tuners of all time
kidsmoke Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Hi! One question about the drilling. Am I right, the former drilling hole will be covered when I change to the suggested Tulip-style Tuners ? Some of you stated the bottom hole can be used. As I can't see any drilling holes on the images posted here I was wondering whether you filled the former holes or whether they are covered. Hope I could make question clear. Thanks in advance! Ralph Hey Ralph, I'm not certain I understand the question, but I'll try to help On the Grovers or the Tonepros/Kluson, both of which I have installed on a Heritage guitar, each tuner requires 2 screws, above and below the post hole. the hole below each post hole lines up with the bottom hole of the new tuner, so you simply insert the new screw. At this point, the top holes need be drilled. These are small diameter screws and require and small diameter drill bit and a very shallow hole. Nice trick is to wrap a piece of masking tape around the drill bit, maybe a 1/4" from the tip, then simply drill to the edge of the tape. Drop in the new screws and viola....no holes to fill and it looks factory, circa 1964 (when Kluson went to the dual stamped letter stripes)
TalismanRich Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 If you don't require the white buttons, these might work for you. No change in the actual tuners, so no drilling. Grover Tulip buttons Part #: TK-7722-010
Einerbe Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Hey Ralph, I'm not certain I understand the question, but I'll try to help On the Grovers or the Tonepros/Kluson, both of which I have installed on a Heritage guitar, each tuner requires 2 screws, above and below the post hole. the hole below each post hole lines up with the bottom hole of the new tuner, so you simply insert the new screw. At this point, the top holes need be drilled. These are small diameter screws and require and small diameter drill bit and a very shallow hole. Nice trick is to wrap a piece of masking tape around the drill bit, maybe a 1/4" from the tip, then simply drill to the edge of the tape. Drop in the new screws and viola....no holes to fill and it looks factory, circa 1964 (when Kluson went to the dual stamped letter stripes) Thank you very much for the explaination! I was afraid that after I installed new tuners the former top hole might be visible. Cheers Ralph
Einerbe Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 arggg!! Just realised: the Grovers only require "one" screw; so there "is" only bottom hole before .... Sorry for the confusion! Ralph
Hfan Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Easy answer, Kluson Deluxe tuners. I replaced all the sperzel & Grover tuners on three 150s and my 535 & 555. They fit in fine. I bought the Kluson Deluxe turners from Sweetwater, they are hard to fine. Hey Kuz, when you pulled the Sperzels did the Klusons fit the holes or did you have to use bushings / spacers? Easy swap?
Kuz Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Hey Kuz, when you pulled the Sperzels did the Klusons fit the holes or did you have to use bushings / spacers? Easy swap? Actually, I used Grover (Kluson looking ) tuners. Here's a link to Sweetwater, on sale for $49!!! https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/135N And yes the Grovers fit in perfect and lined up with the one small set screw. I just had to use a small bit and drill for the other set screw. Very easy job. That small set screw is the only drilling/modification, and the tuners are rock solid.
Hfan Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Thanks Kuz. Actually my Sperzels have no screws on the back, I think there is a pin on the front or maybe the back that gets pressed in when tightening the nut. Maybe one day I'll look into a swap, I had wondered about the hole though.
Spectrum13 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Thanks Kuz. Actually my Sperzels have no screws on the back, I think there is a pin on the front or maybe the back that gets pressed in when tightening the nut. Maybe one day I'll look into a swap, I had wondered about the hole though. Yes sir! There is a pin preventing the tuner from moving. I assume Kuz was saying use the impression left as it lines up with where the screw goes.
Kuz Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Yes sir! There is a pin preventing the tuner from moving. I assume Kuz was saying use the impression left as it lines up with where the screw goes. Well, I changed to the Grover (vintage nickel Kluson-like) from two different types of turners; Sperzels and the old metal-Grovers. The metal Grovers had the screw, the Sperzels have a pin. Both styles were an easy fit. With the Spezels I used the pin hole to put one screw in and drilled the second screw, for the old Grovers I just drilled the two small screws. Trust me, I was a little anxious drilling into the back of the headstock but once the tuner is through the big hole in the headstock the little screws are easy to drill (just barely get a hole started and the wood screws just tighten in) and are mostly just cosmetic.
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