Stavesk Posted September 11, 2019 Posted September 11, 2019 Hey Guys, I had to send you a question about a beautiful Heritage guitar I am about to purchase. The guy says he bought it from 2007 and that it is a H-140 model but by the pictures it looks a bit different than a standard H-140, the bridge and the stop tail is different but those can be change, what interesting is the horn, it seems like the less pointy H-150 horn and not like the H-140, wondering what model could it be. Please shed some light on this guitar, I absolutely love it! I attached some photos of it. Thank you!
mars_hall Posted September 11, 2019 Posted September 11, 2019 Have the guy show a pic of the inside of the control cavity lid. Should be a label there
rwinking Posted September 11, 2019 Posted September 11, 2019 Looks like a 150 to me. The 140s I know (mine included) have the pointy horn. Don't let the owner see the cavity. If it says it's a 150 buy it as a 140 as it should be cheaper.
Gitfiddler Posted September 11, 2019 Posted September 11, 2019 Hmmm...Looks like an H150P (Poplar). The control cavity label should help solve the mystery.
davesultra Posted September 11, 2019 Posted September 11, 2019 I second it being an H-150P. Check the label under the control cavity cover.
Steiner Posted September 11, 2019 Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Gitfiddler said: Hmmm...Looks like an H150P (Poplar). The control cavity label should help solve the mystery. My first thoughts too!
FredZepp Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 The H-140 second generation is a rarely seen Heritage. It has the shape of the H-150, but is not quite as thick and has dot inlays. There are a few old H-150 models that have the dot inlays also.. best to check the tag inside the control cavity .
Millennium Maestro Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 140 2nd generation? What is the body thickness? Only $50 difference for your knowledge
DetroitBlues Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 Bingo! The 1st generation of the H140 had a sharp cutaway and an unbound rosewood fretboard with dot inlays. The 2nd generation of the H140 had a 150 cutaway, but bound neck. Still had dot inlays. On both models, the body is thinner and the upper bout is slightly narrower. I've had both models. I'll try to dig up some pictures of both I've had.
Stavesk Posted September 12, 2019 Author Posted September 12, 2019 Thank you so much everybody! I think the DetroitBlues has the right answer, at least it seems like it is a 2nd generation H140. As i remember by seeing the sticker inside the control cavity I didn't see any builder information or signature, about an exact model I don't recall seeing anything
DetroitBlues Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Do notice the 1st Gen, I replaced the bridge and tailpiece with Tonepros. It originally came with Schaller. The 2nd generation has a lovely bound neck and stock Tonepros hardware....
Stavesk Posted September 14, 2019 Author Posted September 14, 2019 Yes it definitely looks like a 2nd Generation H140. Anybody knows what pickups are on this model?
TalismanRich Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 The double screws on the bridge pickups suggests Schallers, however, if you look closely, there is a black dot on the selector switch which would normally indicated HRWs, which are Rendal Wall's modifications of the standard Schaller pickup. The obvious way to determine what they are is to pull them up and check the back. HRWs will be labeled. This shows both pickups. The neck pickup could still be the original, with a replacement mounting ring. Schaller pickups actually have 3 adjustment screw holes per side, so you can go with single or double screws.
DetroitBlues Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 Neck pup does look replaced. Without that special switch tip, I believe the bridge is a Schaller pickup.
High Flying Bird Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 I never thought about it before but there are 3 versions of the 137. The first has a sharp horn. The second doesn't but it has humbuckers, where the third, and most prolific version, has the fat neck and P-90s.
DetroitBlues Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 7 hours ago, High Flying Bird said: I never thought about it before but there are 3 versions of the 137. The first has a sharp horn. The second doesn't but it has humbuckers, where the third, and most prolific version, has the fat neck and P-90s. I don't remember 3 versions of a 137. I assumed any with a humbucker were special order. Especially do not remember any stock models having fat necks. Marv and crew seemed to love the thin, flat d-shaped pencil-neck guitars for the longest time unless someone asked for something beefier.
davesultra Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 I had a ‘93 that had pretty much the same shaped neck that’s in current production (more or less a medium C). It also had humbuckers and it was not a special order.
High Flying Bird Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 16 hours ago, DetroitBlues said: I don't remember 3 versions of a 137. I assumed any with a humbucker were special order. Especially do not remember any stock models having fat necks. Marv and crew seemed to love the thin, flat d-shaped pencil-neck guitars for the longest time unless someone asked for something beefier. Josh, neck carves are hard to interpret. I like a wide neck from top to bottom and thin from front to back. The neck on the 3rd versions of the 137 I have owned had a neck carved like the HFT-445 Accoustic I sold Steiner. It always felt thick to me. My daughter's 137 doesn't have p-90s but the body is shaped the same as the 3rd version except the neck is thinner than the 3rd edition. That guitar is a 2nd edition. The first edition had the sharp horn. My current 137 was a custom build and it has a thinner neck and is carved for humbuckers. I have Phat Cats in my daughter's guitar. The custom order came with Lollar Imperials. I got it from Guitar Sphincter second hand. The funny thing is that it is almost the same as my buddy's 150 Special. They weigh the same even with the 150 having a carved maple top. Rumor is that there is a pod of white 1st edition 140s out there. All of them with broken headstocks. Arrghhh... Good discussion!
DetroitBlues Posted January 14, 2020 Posted January 14, 2020 Well, not sure about any white 1st Gen 140's, but here is a B Serial Number (1985) H140....
High Flying Bird Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 After thinking about it I realize that I am wrong about the 137. There wasn't a 137 with a sharp horn. I was getting it confused with the 140. I wish I could blame it on age...
Steiner Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 4 hours ago, DetroitBlues said: Well, not sure about any white 1st Gen 140's, but here is a B Serial Number (1985) H140.... Mmmmmmmmmm...
ElNumero Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 7:42 PM, High Flying Bird said: After thinking about it I realize that I am wrong about the 137. There wasn't a 137 with a sharp horn. I was getting it confused with the 140. I wish I could blame it on age... I knew you were wrong soon as I read your comments. But I wasn't about to argue. Didn't want you driving all the way down to Florida to put a Bama whoopin on me.
ElNumero Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 On 9/11/2019 at 6:05 PM, Gitfiddler said: Hmmm...Looks like an H150P (Poplar). The control cavity label should help solve the mystery. I thought all 150's were popular. I have 4 of them so they certainly are with me!
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