Heritage S.G.

[skydog52]

I'd mine was more thinking out loud than any useful input! haha.

 

Lookie!

Lookie! I likie,works well with the H headstock. I'd buy one

in a GAS second.

[NoNameBand]

I have always loved the SG. There is also a carved top CM version. Either way, it is a screaming Demon with the right pickups. I like the Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates. The thing about an SG, the sound is unique and the fret board access is unparalleled. I have a white SG Custom w/Maestro and a Standard. Nothing gets the Duane Allman slide sound like an SG. I think that a Heritage SG would be super for those who love the look, sound and playability of an SG but hate the inferiority of a Gibby. I think it needs to be mahogany body and neck, just done better than a Gibby (done right).

 

2 cents

[NoNameBand]

Lookie! I likie,works well with the H headstock. I'd buy one

in a GAS second.

 

With a name like "Skydog, you have to have one.

All the best,

Mark

[TalismanRich]

You may recall the Guild S100 SG type guitar.Same problem,really.Big,traditional headstock on an ultra modern body.Thanks for your input.

Peter Alton Green

 

OK Peter, now you done DISSED my baby! Them's FIGHTIN' words. It's whammy bars at 10 paces!

 

I much prefer the S100 to any SG that I've played for balance and feel.

FWIW, Jim Deurloo told me at PSPII that he worked on the S100 design when he was at Guild.

[peacemaker]

Wow, I have never been an SG fan. I don't know what it is, but the SG never did anything for me.

 

Ditto . . . looks like I just lost some cool points with the cats on this thread . . .

[peteraltongreen]

OK Peter, now you done DISSED my baby! Them's FIGHTIN' words. It's whammy bars at 10 paces!

 

I much prefer the S100 to any SG that I've played for balance and feel.

FWIW, Jim Deurloo told me at PSPII that he worked on the S100 design when he was at Guild.

 

I had a Guild S100 too, for years,starting about 1975 time.As a guitar I loved it.It was really versatile,light,and responded well.I left it in the trunk of my car one very hot day while at a session,when I opened the case..tragedy.The neck had bowed,the finish bubbled.It was unusable,finished,as I thought.I took it down to London to my old pal ,Emile Grimshaw ,the luthier.He took off the Brown finish,and replaced it with cherry red,fixed the neck,and WOW ! My great guitar was back in business.Sadly,it was one of the guitars I sold on,as I did with my 1 P90 Gibson S.G. junior.I can't remember exactly what year I bought this guitar,but I do have a photo of me playing it in 1966.I do remember it said 'Les Paul Junior' on the headstock,so it was before Les Paul had them take his name off the S.G. style. I'd bought this guitar,as I'd loved my '59 LP junior,but it was,as we know,completely different to the '59.It didn't hang very well on the strap,which was probably more to do with the strap than the guitar,so it went to part finance something else. When I find the relevant photos of these guitars,I'll post them here.

Peter Alton Green

As a post script to this,if Jim Duerloo worked on the Guild S100,then maybe he could come up with an S.G. type that's sufficiently different to the Gibson S.G.,as the Guild S100 was.

[peteraltongreen]

I've been through the creaking door,into the archive & re discovered the old photo's.

Photo 1. Is me on a Gig in 1965,playing my S.G.Jnr,through a Vox 30 amp & a DeArmond foot volume.

Photo 2. I'm the fat one on bass ( a Baldwin Burns semi from the late 60's ),My pal Steve is playing my Guild S100,before the incident in the car boot.If you look close at the S.G.100,there's another of those flowers I got in Switzerland stuck on it,just like the one I stuck on my L5. There's no hope for me !

Peter Alton Green

[NoNameBand]

I've been through the creaking door,into the archive & re discovered the old photo's.

Photo 1. Is me on a Gig in 1965,playing my S.G.Jnr,through a Vox 30 amp & a DeArmond foot volume.

Photo 2. I'm the fat one on bass ( a Baldwin Burns semi from the late 60's ),My pal Steve is playing my Guild S100,before the incident in the car boot.If you look close at the S.G.100,there's another of those flowers I got in Switzerland stuck on it,just like the one I stuck on my L5. There's no hope for me !

Peter Alton Green

 

I'm glad we all don't have to show our old pictures. Nice pants Peter. Shame about the SG in the boot story.

Mark

[peteraltongreen]

I'm glad we all don't have to show our old pictures. Nice pants Peter. Shame about the SG in the boot story.

Mark

I remember them well ! Now look at the belt holding my belly in !

[FredZepp]

I've been through the creaking door,into the archive & re discovered the old photo's.

Photo 1. Is me on a Gig in 1965,playing my S.G.Jnr,through a Vox 30 amp & a DeArmond foot volume.

Photo 2. I'm the fat one on bass ( a Baldwin Burns semi from the late 60's ),My pal Steve is playing my Guild S100,before the incident in the car boot.If you look close at the S.G.100,there's another of those flowers I got in Switzerland stuck on it,just like the one I stuck on my L5. There's no hope for me !

Peter Alton Green

That may be my favorite pic of you that we've seen so far, Peter.... you jammin on the bass...!

[rjsanders]

not bein' a wet blanket or nothin' (& i like some of the plans & 'xamples above), but i think the 137DC/170 covers the sonic territory & i prefer it to the SG looks-wise

 

jus' sayin'

[FredZepp]

I bet those maple top SG's are a lot like a first edition 140....

[TalismanRich]

Ok, Peter. I guess I need to put this one up since we're in the "Weren't we cool back then" mode.

 

1975. St Theresa's teen club.

 

Nothing like a shiny puffy shirt for playing rock and roll. Ok, it's not quite glam rock or Queen material.

"and I was so much older then... when I was young!"

[peteraltongreen]

Ok, Peter. I guess I need to put this one up since we're in the "Weren't we cool back then" mode.

 

1975. St Theresa's teen club.

 

Nothing like a shiny puffy shirt for playing rock and roll. Ok, it's not quite glam rock or Queen material.

"and I was so much older then... when I was young!"

 

Love the guitar,the shirt.I even love the old Kustom amp.The only Kustom relic I have is a cover for a speaker cab I pinched from the club where I'm pictured playing bass !

Peter Alton Green.

[chico]

Ok, Peter. I guess I need to put this one up since we're in the "Weren't we cool back then" mode.

 

1975. St Theresa's teen club.

 

Nothing like a shiny puffy shirt for playing rock and roll. Ok, it's not quite glam rock or Queen material.

"and I was so much older then... when I was young!"

 

 

check out that Kustom head... nice one Rich!

[mark555]

Pete, I bet you had not met Lesley yet when that picture of you was taken... ha ha! Here's one of me, 1978.

[Guest mgoetting]

from Ebay.

[Guest mgoetting]

Here's a different SG with a maple top. It's a prototype from 1980.

 

The curious thing is the tailpiece. This looks like it is Ren Wall's design that Schaller copied. His fine tuners are straight up while Schallers are angled back.

 

Trivia.

[peteraltongreen]

Here's a different SG with a maple top. It's a prototype from 1980.

 

The curious thing is the tailpiece. This looks like it is Ren Wall's design that Schaller copied. His fine tuners are straight up while Schallers are angled back.

 

Trivia.

 

Funnily enough,I have a couple of those fine tune tail pieces I bought in the 80's.Gibson marketed them for a while.They work very well,and they were made in the U.S.A. The Schaller was on my C140CM and was made in Germany.I replaced this with a standard stop bar,and the sustain increased considerably.

Peter Alton Green

[mark555]

Here's a different SG with a maple top. It's a prototype from 1980.

 

The curious thing is the tailpiece. This looks like it is Ren Wall's design that Schaller copied. His fine tuners are straight up while Schallers are angled back.

 

Trivia.

 

I know a guy with a Gibson Lucille 355 variant, I think the very same stop piece is on that.

[pro-fusion]

 

I had a chance to play one of these U.S. Masters "SGs" a couple weeks ago, though just a regular mahogany one with a cherry finish. An absolutely fantastic guitar, and far better than any Gibson I've played in ages. Not one for the traditionalists, though, since it has humongous frets and a little more "rock 'n roll' image. I almost bought it, but I've never been able to get along with SGs for any length of time, even though many of my idols (Zappa, Marino, Iommi) have played them.

[FredZepp]

I had a chance to play one of these U.S. Masters "SGs" a couple weeks ago, though just a regular mahogany one with a cherry finish. An absolutely fantastic guitar, and far better than any Gibson I've played in ages. Not one for the traditionalists, though, since it has humongous frets and a little more "rock 'n roll' image. I almost bought it, but I've never been able to get along with SGs for any length of time, even though many of my idols (Zappa, Marino, Iommi) have played them.

The answer is ... flamed - spalted maple.

 

the answer is in the wood.

 

( You have to admit that one looks inviting )

[peteraltongreen]

Hey Guys,

Thanks for all your comments & ideas on the Heritage S.G. idea.To satisfy myself,I returned to my vaults,and eventually found the 1962 Gibson catalogue,with the illustration of the then new Les Paul ( S.G.) Firstly,if you look at the cover of the mag.,you'll see some liquid drips on it ! Be these coffee,tea,beer,or just plain drool,I can't remember ! I copied both pages of the S.G. range for the historians amongst you,and enlarged the Les Paul Standard.( There is another page with the Junior & Melody Maker.) As previously stated,I have got used to that traditional Gibson headstock,but I think the Heritage one looks better.Looking at that catalogue now,I'm starting to drool all over again.Dig that side swing vibrato ! You don't press on it,you pull it towards you to lower the pitch ! Looking further through the pages,I came upon the archtops. L to R over 2 pages,Super 400,Johnny Smith,L5CES,ES175,& ES125,non cut,1 P/up.I could,at that time ( I was 18 ) not figure out why the 175 was a so much less in price of an L5.( All Gibson guitars cost a huge amount of money in the U.K. then ) It said nothing about plywood for the 175,just beautiful arched top and back of selected maple with matching rims. Of the L5 it says 'Hand graduated,carved top of select close grained spruce,arched back of highly figured curly maple with matching rims.I never suspected plywood until years later.Guitar information in the North East of England was very rare.Even the salesmen didn't really know much.

Looking back at the cover,the line drawing is of Herb Ellis,who we lost recently.I always loved Herb's playing,and his was the first Jazz tutor for guitar I ever bought .Thanks,Herb.

Now,let's see if I can start another guitar war somewhere !

Peter Alton Green

[602a]

The only thing that would make it better is if it was designed like the old Les Paul Sg Gary Rossington uses.?

[602a]

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